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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="AladdinsGenie"][quote="Calluna"][quote="AladdinsGenie886"]That's about as screwy as Genie always having to grow legs or turn into a human around civilians. They can't possibly think he is just a giant blue Agrabanian..do they?[/quote]I'm trying to remember when this happened. The only two I remember were in Never Say Nefir (non-Agrabanians, and Genie was actually flesh-colored) and Fowl Weather (maybe the fact that it was a child and they didn't want to freak him out?). Of course, both of those eps seem pretty early to me... I'm wondering if he was blue and had legs most people would jump to some other conclusion other than that he was a genie. Kahveed and Yani took a lot of convincing before they were sure he wasn't "just" a sorcerer. :P[/quote] Random and late, but it was in "Moonlight Madness" too when he comes out as the Chiquita Banana woman and Aladdin makes him grow legs. Still odd to me.[/quote]
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Salukfan
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:49 pm
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It all depends on when Sa'luk left Agrabah. Was it immediately after he told Rasoul that Cassim = the KoT? After Cassim was arrested? After he escaped?
Well, it is daylight outside when Sa'luk enters the lair pre-IoO, so that dates his return before Cassim is freed from prison.
I don't see option 1 as too farfetched, at least in the way I view their relationship. Especially if Rasoul wanted Sa'luk to identify Cassim incase furthur proof was needed or whatever. I see Sa'luk as a bit ashamed (but not guilty) that he betrayed the group, and wouldn't want to face Cassim for it. There's also the fact that Sa'luk didn't go back to finish the challenge, instead walking away, which might just be seen as cowardly. So he goes back to the lair instead, and incase Cassim would manage to escape (a feasable possibility), the group would be ready to take him down.
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Was Sa'luk planning to try to get the Oracle and ultimately the Hand of Midas all along? Or did he just seize the opportunity once Cassim showed up at the hideout with the Oracle in tow?
Oh, the time I've spent considering this one.
I settled on it being opportunity and the chance to prove himself to the group, Cassim, and probably himself. I get the feeling, though, that Cassim had to do some convincing to get him to go. Sa'luk doesn't appear to be fond of magic, so I doubt he'd just get in a boat and trust his fate to the Oracle without some persuasion/reason to believe her.
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In short, was Sa'luk surprised to find some of the thieves still at the hideout when he got there?
I don't think so. I think he realized there were some missing, but that could have been to death. There might have been some way of hiding some of the group incase the lair was raided, so they could rebuild. Or perhaps he thought that if the group was all dead, he could just do it himself anyway. So, he formulated the plan incase it was needed. I think.
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How the heck did Aladdin and Cassim not find out that most of the Forty Theives had been captured?
This one has bugged me too.
Aladdin was busy preparing for the wedding, and Sultan didn't seem to be too concerned with the whole thing at the moment, so maybe that was the general status of the palace in general? Then again, you'd think they'd rush to tell Cassim that his 'captors' had been taken in. Cassim and Iago probably went MIA, so they would be out of the knowledge loop...
Well, maybe Aladdin could have known? Or, at least, found out right before Cassim is brought in by Rasoul. Plays into his worry-- Rasoul knows who the 40 Thieves are, his dad is in the palace, and he can't leave to run off and find him without arousing suspicion. He would have no time to notify Cassim and perhaps it slipped his mind/he didn't care to tell him when he broke him out?
Though you'd think Cassim would crosspaths with the group/Rasoul would tell him about the mass capture enroute to the dungeon...
I smell a plot hole!
Calluna
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:19 pm
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persian85033 wrote:
But then Cassim didn't seem surprised to fidn that only seven theives were there.
I think he was. Remember Iago's line, "I'm not crazy about a 40 way split". Not a nine way split.
persian85033
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:11 pm
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That's true. Surely Al or Cassim would have heard because Rasoul said the Sultan hadn't sentenced his prisoners yet. Of course, Al would probably only have wanted to get his dad out. Or maybe he wanted to get all the theives, because they were connected with his dad, but it was too risky. But then Cassim didn't seem surprised to fidn that only seven theives were there.
Calluna
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:44 pm
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It all depends on when Sa'luk left Agrabah. Was it immediately after he told Rasoul that Cassim = the KoT? After Cassim was arrested? After he escaped?
Option 1 seems too dumb for Sa'luk to have done; he'd want to make sure that Cassim was caught before he left.
Option 2 is a possibility. The sultan had said he wasn't going to excecute Cassim, so unless he's going to hang around and watch him forever he can't guarantee he won't escape and might as well go do something else.
Option 3: Sa'luk doesn't leave Agrabah until after Cassim escapes. It could be luck, it could be that he's going to try to steal the Oracle himself since he's won Rasoul's trust, or whatever. But in any case, in this scenario Sa'luk would have found out that Cassim had escaped with the Oracle, figured out that he'd probably go back to the hideout, and hurried to get back there first so he could ambush him and take the Oracle for himself. Of course then you have to explain how Sa'luk got their first when Cassim left before he did. Maybe Cassim and Iago didn't take a direct route?
Random thoughts...
Was Sa'luk planning to try to get the Oracle and ultimately the Hand of Midas all along? Or did he just seize the opportunity once Cassim showed up at the hideout with the Oracle in tow?
Was Sa'luk expecting any of the thieves to have escaped the raid? Did he notice when he checked the dungeon that Cassim wasn't the only one missing? In short, was Sa'luk surprised to find some of the thieves still at the hideout when he got there?
How the heck did Aladdin and Cassim not find out that most of the Forty Theives had been captured? I realize they were busy and all, but do you mean to tell me they didn't notice all those prisoners being brought into the palace and that no one had been talking about it? You think Rasoul wouldn't have mentioned it? Even without knowing the KoT is Aladdin's dad, that's some great Aladdin-baiting material and I'm surprised he wasted it. Or was he going to wait and show off his medal?
Salukfan
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:36 pm
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True. Once Rasoul caught him, I think Saluk must've imagined him rotting in the Palace dungeon, or the executioner's block. However, they seemed to be expecting him.
Well, not necessarily. They could have heard someone coming into the lair, possibly a guard, and hid in order to strike.
I think, though, that Sa'luk realized it was a possibility that Cassim would return, given his reputation for escape.
persian85033
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:51 pm
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It had to be a semi-impulsive decision; how could he have anticipated Cassim returning with the Oracle, since Rasoul was aware of his identity and was resolved to catch him?[/quote]
True. Once Rasoul caught him, I think Saluk must've imagined him rotting in the Palace dungeon, or the executioner's block. However, they seemed to be expecting him.
Husse
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:14 am
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Aw, I luv dat Cassim. Because he's John-Rhys-Davies and he R0X0rS all.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:52 pm
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I don't think he'd take it that far exactly.
persian85033
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:48 pm
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Do you suppose he would ever have shown more of an interest than was appropriate in Jasmine? I mean from Spike's post about Cassim trying to get Jasmine's attention.
Calluna
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:11 pm
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
You like the shifty characters
I love a man who doesn't know what he wants.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:58 pm
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You like the shifty characters
Calluna
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:20 pm
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persian85033 wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if heīs a good guy or bad guy. Perhaps thatīs why heīs one of my favorite characters.
Yay, someone who thinks like me! *waves a flag for neutral/undecided characters*
persian85033
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:14 pm
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I know what you mean. I always have those questions going through my head. Sometimes I wonder if heīs a good guy or bad guy. Perhaps thatīs why heīs one of my favorite characters.
Ariellen
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:05 pm
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SalukFan wrote:
1. How much of Cassim's dialogue to Aladdin about leaving his family do you think is actually true?
Let's watch this in my head, since EVERY DVD AND VIDEO I OWN is at home...
Obviously, the part about being intrigued by the Hand of Midas is true. Right...lousy attempt at humour...
I think he used the "I want the best for my family" to justify his actions, but wasn't focused on that idea for all of his time away. Cassim seems really proud and cocky. Aladdin's got some of that too, obviously, but I think Aladdin has more of a concern with what's right, what's noble, and 'doing good' that sort of keeps his ego at least partially in tact. Anywho...
So, I think he would have wanted to provide well for his family, but not just out of the goodness of his heart. HIS family had to be the best. And when he didn't find success early on in his search, I think it would have been easy for him to just keep on in the search because he was too proud to admit failure. And if he ever did feel guilty, he'd play the "well, think of what my family will have if I find it" card to himself in his mind to feel better about himself.
I do think he got back to Agrabah, but not as something that he planned to find his family, and that looking for them was sort of an almost tangential thought. And you know, Cassim's not a totally bad guy, so I think he would have been upset to realize that he'd lost them. Especially since he'd now lost his family and still had no Hand, so he lost on both counts. So, yes, I think that at THAT MOMENT, part of him would wish that he could just start over and have his family back, but then hey, what better way to clear your head that a good treasure hunt?
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2. Is Cassim a hypocrite?
On one level, certainly. He talks about how badly he wanted his wife back, and one can presume, he's willing to go and put Aladdin's life on the line to destroy his enemy, doesn't have any qualms about stealing at his son's wedding (I mean when he's arrested...I know it's not AT the wedding, but close enough...), and for a man who claimed to want his wife back so badly, he sure was quick to convince Aladdin to leave his wife-to-be without explanation. Maybe 'conflicted' is a nice alternative to 'hypocrite,' though, because I don't think he's always totally two-faced, but he is two-sided. If that makes sense.
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3. Would the group be better off with Cassim or Sa'luk as king?
Neither. I think that both of them are too driven with an ulterior motive that goes against what's best for the group for either of them to be successful. In terms of looting, Sa'luk would have been better, but he also disbanded the group pretty quickly, and it seemed that Cassim'd been leading for a while, and while they weren't prosperous, they were still taken as a big threat and still together.
Ariellen
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:24 pm
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Before I even read a post...
Do you expect us to be shocked by the subject?
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