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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Salukfan"]Ahhh, my kind of topic! *Cracks knuckles* [b] 1. Do you think Rasoul knew/suspected anything about Jafar's plot to overthrow the sultan, and if so, what?[/b] I'm going to say no. I think that if he knew that something was really wrong, he would do something. Not even something major, but [i]something[/i]. Like "Armored and Dangerous"- he knew something was wrong with the Sultan and protected Jasmine, I think knowing that it could hurt him. Betraying Jafar would be, I don't know if I want to say easier than that, but less than it. I wouldn't rule out the possibly of a nagging suspicion, however. I'm taking it back to KoT, where I think he knows Sa'luk is manipulating him to a degree (at least, that something's not right about his story), but goes with it because he desires respect and status. He might suspect Jafar of something, but not tell Sultan out of a number of reasons- fear that, if he's right, his life could be taken or even respect for Jafar, among other things. [b]2. Do you think his jealousy/hatred of Aladdin is at all justified?[/b] I can sort of justify it, though he's really putting the blame on the wrong person. My theory on his jealous of Aladdin comes from that fact that Aladdin essentially took Rasoul's job in the series. The Captain of the Guard position, at least, as I interpret it, is to be a defender of the palace. Aladdin suddenly becomes the number one protector, the one the Sultan relies on, and the one Sultan has the most faith in. This relationship is clearly seen in "Raiders of the Lost Shark", when Sultan *almost* send Rasoul with Merk, but as soon as Aladdin speaks up, Sultan changes it to him. It shows that, while Sultan does find Rasoul competient, he finds Aladdin moreso, hence Rasoul's jealousy. I don't think Sultan's wrong in his choice to have Aladdin as a primary defender over Rasoul, especially in magical attacks, as I don't think Rasoul would do over well in that situation, but I think it's the way it's said and done that makes Rasoul upset. [b]3. Do you think he really is as loyal to the sultan as he claims to be?[/b] For the most part, yes. Sure, if finds the Sultan to be a little...dense at times, but who doesn't, really. :lol: But, again, I'm going back to the example of "Armored and Dangerous"- if the Sultan would ever turn extreme or corrupt, Rasoul wouldl betray him to do the right thing. I don't really count that as disloyalty, more...situational loyalty. He's far from blindly loyal. [b]4. Do you think he was right to follow Jafar's order over Jasmine's in the first movie? [/b] I think he was. I do wonder about how much authority Jasmine had at this point in the series. Was she as powerful as she was in the series, and running Agrabah whenever Sultan went away? Or was it someone else? Was it Jafar? Somehow, I feel that Jafar is more powerful than Jasmine at this point. He's closer to Sultan's ear, he's more experienced...it seems that Sultan is quite focused on the whole marriage issue with Jasmine...and not much else. Jafar's word could have override Jasmine's on that standpoint, but I also agree with what AG said, to a degree- he wanted to arrest Aladdin for a long time, and finally being able to do it might have pushed him in the wrong direction. I don't see it being the only reason why he'd do it- but as a partial one, it's believable that he would do something that he knows isn't quite right in order to get something he's always wanted (as he does in KoT). [b]5. Why do you think he tried to drown Prince Ali? (And, no, "because Jafar said so" isn't a good enough reason [or is it? :wink: ])[/b] I do think that "because Jafar said so" is part of it,but there would need to be a damn good reason behind it for me to justify it. Jafar would have to tell Rasoul *something* to motivate this- Rasoul just wouldn't attack Ali for the hell of it. Rasoul gets big time enjoyment out of it, so I wonder if Jafar claimed Ali to be a threat to security or something. He might have also manipulated Ali's desires for Jasmine into something more impure that would partially motivate Rasoul (I don't agree with the theory so much, but it might have some potential). Geez, why couldn't they show Rasoul for like a second after Jafar betrayed? It would make life so much easier. ;) [b]6. Do you still think he will stay in Agrabah once Aladdin is sultan?[/b] I think he will. I believe he respects Aladdin- yeah, he's back to his bitterness in KoT, but he might just be feeling hormonal that day. :lol: There's certain things he doesn't like about Aladdin, but overall, I think he knows that Aladdin is competient and that he has Agrabah's best interests in mind. Besides, Rasoul doesn't seem like the type who likes change, and he might not me motivated to find another job. ;)[/quote]
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Calluna
Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:01 am
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AladdinFan wrote:
I kinda agree with him (the post). I can see Rasoul as being like that. However, I still side with Aladdin in: Get over it!
I don't know... I think they're both being immature about it, but Rasoul more so. He really wants to believe Aladdin is a traitor so of course he finds evidence of it wherever he looks. He's not stupid, just delusional.
And he's certainly not incompetent in his job, he just seems that way in comparison to Aladdin, and because most of the eps have villains that use magic and that it really takes a genie and magic carpet's help to beat.
And.... I think I may have answered question 2 somewhere in there...
AladdinFan
Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:50 am
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115491/board/nest/12809674
*points to that third post* Like I said, I am keeping my Aladdin biased butt out of that.
Must. Resist. Urge. To. Say. Something.
I kinda agree with him (the post). I can see Rasoul as being like that. However, I still side with Aladdin in: Get over it!
Meesh
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:25 pm
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Yes. Yes. We all love our indecisive Aladdin characters.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:15 pm
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Or when he tells Abu that he is fed up with his stealing, they agree he won't do it anymore, but then goes "ok, just this once" later on in the ep.
Calluna
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:11 pm
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Meesh wrote:
I stand corrected. But they were both for respectable reasons.
And then he proceeds to sit her down and explain that stealing is wrong, and we see how well that works.
Yeah, we've got both ends of the political spectrum represented there...
(*also hides "Raiders of the Lost Shark" and comic #1*)
Meesh
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:46 pm
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I stand corrected. But they were both for respectable reasons.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:34 pm
Post subject: Re: It's that time again...
Meesh wrote:
Aladdin stopped trying to trick him and everything and even tried to get along with him after the first movie, right?
*hides the opening scene of "Strike Up The Sand" with the royal fruit inspector trick and "Dune Quixote" with the laddle stealing incident*
Yep, he sure did stop tricking Rasoul
But both times was to help out fellow street rat Sadira from getting in trouble....*ponders that*
Meesh
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:12 pm
Post subject: Re: It's that time again...
For answers 1,3,4, and 5, I would say that he is loyal, but perhaps Jafar used his snake staff on him. That way, he could have specified not to listen to Jasmine (Jafar most likely knew that Jasmine was fond of Aladdin by what he saw in his hourglass). But, then again, he didn't seem like he was in a trance when he tried to kill Prince Ali. Maybe Jafar tricked him into thinking Prince Ali was a traitor?
For 6, I'd say yes. Because in that episode with that big dragon thing, Razoul seemed to have accepted the fact that ALaddin would someday become the sultan.
For 2, I'd say yes and no. I mean, how would you feel if someone you could never beat at anything became sultan and married the prettiest woman you've ever seen? However, in a way I'd say no because he needs to get over it. Aladdin stopped trying to trick him and everything and even tried to get along with him after the first movie, right? (save for the time when he broke his dad loose in KoT, but that was for a reasonable cause).
Therrryago.
Calluna
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:38 pm
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Hey, "Razoul" is a valid spelling.
I've seen it in novelizations...
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:23 pm
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Calluna wrote:
You
need to resist the urge? You're on the side of the people who can't spell!
And you're on the side of the people who like "Razoul"
We had a muppetno1fan member around here a while ago, but that may or may not be the same person
Calluna
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:40 pm
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You
need to resist the urge? You're on the side of the people who can't spell!
I know I've seen that username before somewhere...
Hmm, the flamewar happened, but not where I expected.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:17 pm
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115491/board/nest/12809674
*points to that third post* Like I said, I am keeping my Aladdin biased butt out of that.
Must. Resist. Urge. To. Say. Something.
Calluna
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:42 pm
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aladdin 92 wrote:
ALL im gonna say is razule sux, he can hold the worlds longest grudge however if he hadent arrested aladdin aladdin would have never gotten the lamp which means no funny jokes!
ALADDIN RULES PEACE OUT!
Well, at least someone's got a hang of this flame war idea.
But I haven't answered any of my own questions!
1. Do you think Rasoul knew/suspected anything about Jafar's plot to overthrow the sultan, and if so, what?
I think he might have thought something was up with Jafar, but I don't think he had any idea at all that he was plotting to overthrow the sultan. I think he
should
have suspected. As we find out in "Destiny on Fire", Rasoul knows all the secret passages in the palace, so he must have known about Jafar's secret lab. I can't prove it, but I'll bet he knew Iago could talk. He was probably in a position to hear all kinds of things that should have tipped him off. But the thing about Rasoul is that he sees what he wants to see. (Hey, just because I'm his fangirl doesn't mean I think he's perfect.
)
Calluna
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:41 pm
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
I told my Aladdin-bias butt I'd stay out of this, but I'll try to keep that out as much as possible. I can't make any guarantees, though
But conflict is gooood! It's the annual flame war!
AladdinsGenie wrote:
It doesn't seem like any of the other guards have a huge problem with it other than Rasoul, so there's some back story that I want to know.
That's true; I hadn't thought about that much. They seem to either ignore him, or are slightly annoyed, or just go along with Rasoul (him being their boss and all.
)
AladdinsGenie wrote:
I've heard theories that they were under a spell, but that's stretching it.
Where did you see that? Even I wouldn't go to that extreme.
AladdinsGenie wrote:
I don't really know why he tried to drown him other than Genie made them genuflect to him, so he wanted to get rid of him over that
"We will never bow to you!"
aladdin 92
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:14 pm
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ALL im gonna say is razule sux, he can hold the worlds longest grudge however if he hadent arrested aladdin aladdin would have never gotten the lamp which means no funny jokes!
ALADDIN RULES PEACE OUT!
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