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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Mariposa79"]I know that Agrabah is a fictional city in a story. If this city is real then it would be in Arabia. Right? I don't know the boundaries of Arabia back in What Syera would say, " Medieval or ancient 7th century times". There are plenty of empires that build and diminished to the ground. Ancient City's renamed, borders built, possibilities that cities was never actually near the mainland. For example the Greek empire invaded the land of Egypt and there's Alexandria. I think it was named Alexander the great. Greece is nowhere close to it. They say that Atlantis is somewhere in the Mediterreanan sea but sources say that Atlantis could be Cuba. I watched it on a discovery channel while the movie "Atlantis" was coming out. Knowing me such as a dork that I am. I thought that Agra, India. Would be "Agra"bah. I may get this wrong but I heard that the animators went there to draw the architechure of the buildings and the designs for the movie. Agra is the place where they had the Taj Mahal. How it's designed could be an inspiration for the Sultan's palace configurations. All the peacocks , the fountains and the elephants. Since elephants in India is considered a trasportation or a sacred animal. I read the story about the Taj Mahal and the inspirations on why it's built. It was a story about a great king who is madly in love with his beautiful wife. Nothing could compare to her beauty. So when she died of illness. He built the Taj Mahal for her. It complimented her beauty and everything that she stood for. Mahal is my other language means love. Another funny conjunctions is Morroco, Africa. It's so funny. Because I read in a thread that the characters of Aladdin were out signing autographs in a Morrocco restaurant in Epcot. What made it more interesting is that I was going through the pin collection book at work and notice a Morrocco pin limited edition. And guess who's on the pin? ABU! That's just made things confusing. But anyways, If you look at the surroundings of Agrabah and Morroco. It's pretty much the same. Architechure,camels, customs. I notice that it's by the sea. Remember after the first kiss of Aladdin and Jasmine. You see the sea behind him. As he falls backwards. Could be the Dead Sea, Mediterreanan sea, or the Atlantic Ocean? Why would they sell fish in the marketplace? If the city is at the middle of the desert then wouldn't the fish dry or stink or be rotten? I don't recall seeing the sea by the city in the animated series. Remember they had to travel by carpet to get by the beach? Which in the first movie there is. So Is there a Sea or is there not a sea? What are your theories on where Agrabah could be? Please embellish me! Amuse me! Inform me! Teach me![/quote]
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Calluna
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:48 pm
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Aqaba is a real city in Jordan (at the bottom left corner, on the Gulf of Aqaba
) :
http://www.mideastweb.org/mjordan.htm
I always figured the name was a mix of Aqaba and Agra (city in India where the Taj Mahal is).
persian85033
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:12 pm
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Mariposa79 wrote:
I know.. It's supposed to be a fictional city in a fictional world., etc etc. In a world that's so big that possibility are endless.
In the movie has different time settings like the invention of fireworks was different from the making of the Sphinx and egypt. That whole sequence in the Whole New World scene was like they were traveling through time.
OH! SO THAT's WHY THEY CALLED IT A MAGIC CARPET. heh heh
It was funny during the Bird Stood Still, Iago was talking about a reclining chair that vibrates. And What did they use to light up the palace at night?
Huge oil cans?[/i]
That's a good question. I noticed that to light Jasmine's room anyway, those things like the one Jafar pulled to get into the secret labarotory seemed to be what was giving off the light.
Mariposa79
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:01 pm
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persian85033 wrote:
They wanted Agrabah to be unplottable, so it comes up as Aquaba on a map.
that was like 1st CE on that map.
Mariposa79
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:59 pm
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I know.. It's supposed to be a fictional city in a fictional world., etc etc. In a world that's so big that possibility are endless.
In the movie has different time settings like the invention of fireworks was different from the making of the Sphinx and egypt. That whole sequence in the Whole New World scene was like they were traveling through time.
OH! SO THAT's WHY THEY CALLED IT A MAGIC CARPET. heh heh
It was funny during the Bird Stood Still, Iago was talking about a reclining chair that vibrates. And What did they use to light up the palace at night?
Huge oil cans?[/i]
persian85033
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:48 pm
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They wanted Agrabah to be unplottable, so it comes up as Aquaba on a map.
Mariposa79
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:23 pm
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Aqaba, that's what it said on the Parthian Map.
lol * looks side to side making sure no one heard. Maybe the name has been changed for it's protection services*
Syera
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:37 am
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Aqaba/Aquaba (which spelling is correct?) could easily be from where they derived the name "Agrabah." After all, Q is pronounced pretty much like K, and K ain't nuffin' but an unvoiced G. After that, it's pretty easy to stuff in an R and add a final H for effect.
Mariposa79
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:14 pm
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My latest research on what I found.
I did some research on my college school library, there's a map of Arabia in the 7th century B.C, it was part of the Assyrian Empire. There's a city in the Gulf of the Red Sea called Eilat and their neighboring city is Aqaba . Sometimes the prenunciations of different languages could be different in English.
The whole Assyrian empire included egypt, Israel, Jordan,Syria, and parts of Iran and Iraq but there were no parts of Arabia.
Later in the 1st CE. In times of Romans ruled the most of the Mediterreanan Sea, Aquaba became the Parthian empire. Cairo existed across the way and parts of Arabia was added on. It was after the 7th century and before the 1st CE. There was a era called the Dark Ages somehow it was talking about a birth of the Prophet.
I noted that Saudi Arabia didn't rise until the middle 20th century.
All resources are
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia 7th edition by Sir Norman and others copyrighted 1986
The Arabs : their history and future by Jacques Berque
Could it be? or another legend?
Syera
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:08 pm
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It's not like there couldn't be more than one Hamed in the family line. The Sultan could easily have an ancestor with the same ism as his own.
I really don't see any way possible that the Sultan we all know and love could have founded Agrabah. The city is way too large and developed to be that new. That, and I think it was stated in the cartoon that Agrabah had been at one point under the rule of sand witches.
Calluna
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:41 am
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Spike wrote:
by the way in the series can't remember which episode the sultan appeared in his early days when he was looking for a place in the desert to start his country and aladdin went through some kinda time thingy that made him see what was there before agrabah was done..anyways that was the only episode where they mentioned the sultan's real name which is Hamed and guess what??that name belonged to the real founder of agrabah...but i am not sure if he had a daughter called jamsine..
You're thinking of "Lost and Founded"; the founder of Agrabah's name was Hamed, but he didn't have a daughter, at least not at that point. And they didn't mention Sultan's name, at least not in the English version...
In an
old reprise of "Arabian Nights"
from an earlier version of the script they did say Sultan's name was Hamed, but it looks like Howard Ashman just made that up so it would rhyme.
But because its an old version it's not necissarily "canon".
Syera
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:24 am
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Okay, I've been looking for an excuse to post this.
http://www.emiratespalace.com/eng/main.htm
Check out the pictures. Not a bad little hotel, eh?
Many of Marvel's (writers of Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil) comics are set in New York. This is because Stan Lee grew up in New York; it was his home, and thus he was familiar with it.
Spike
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:48 pm
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Mariposa79, i wasnt talking to you i know what your saying is right,but i was talking on another point,with somone else..but its ok,thanx anyway
Mariposa79
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:37 pm
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Spike wrote:
whatever....i got you many proofs and you still wanna believe what you want which is not true althought i am arab myself and definitly know alot of of stuff here more than you do ,so its fine with me Aladdin is actully a real historical character in the united kingdom and he used to live in london and disney meant agarabah that was built in the uk loool ..happy now
by the way bat man is from krualla lampour
Wha? Who are you talking to? The disney movie was based upon a story in 1001 Arabian Nights. It was a chinese folktale that some guy named Richard Burton in England. Put in it his 1001 Arabian Night stories. The post before me is AG's and she was putting it based on the animated series.
the book of 1001 arabian nights and the author.
See ?
http://www.wollamshram.ca/1001/
I remember when Walt Disney created his movies of fairytales. He wanted us to research more about it if we ever got interested to know more.
persian85033
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:10 pm
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You wouldn't by any chance be able to get some pictures, could you?
Spike
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:35 pm
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whatever....i got you many proofs and you still wanna believe what you want which is not true althought i am arab myself and definitly know alot of of stuff here more than you do ,so its fine with me Aladdin is actully a real historical character in the united kingdom and he used to live in london and disney meant agarabah that was built in the uk loool ..happy now
by the way bat man is from krualla lampour
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