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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="AladdinFan92"]There I was,minding my buisniess on AOL,when the main page of my mom's sn, and web page entitled "Black Voices" came up as usual. It's a webpage with various articles about current events having to do with African Americans. And I found a very interesting DP article that I thought we could all discuss. For the record---THIS IS NOT MY ARTICLE!!! I don't own it,and I didn't write it. I simply copy and pasted it because I thought it was an item of interest to all the Disney fans on this site. Read,enjoy,and feel free to get a discussion going! (we all know how explosive that article about Jasmine was,lol) [b]Disney Princesses:Black Girls Need Not Apply[/b] A Look at Disney's Animated Royalty "Mommy, why don't any of the princesses look like me," asks the beautiful brown girl, a curious mixture of hurt and bewilderment in her eyes. It is questions like this that torment black parents or caretakers, who like everyone else, want their children to be respected, affirmed, and yes, represented. Unfortunately, if said parents are in a Disney store, or at a Disney "Princesses on Ice" show with their kids, they'd better start thinking fast, because the mouse kingdom has never crowned a black princess. Unless, as some wryly note, you count the character of Nala from the Africa-set 'The Lion King,' (who is in fact, an animal), African Americans are not represented in Disney's pantheon of princesses. There are Disney princesses from almost every other ethnic group including Mulan (who is Chinese), Pocahontas (Native American), Jasmine (Middle Eastern descent), the original Caucasian princesses we all grew up with -- Snow White, Cinderella and Fantasia -- and even 'The Little Mermaid's' Ariel (of the sea). To some, this is politics as usual, to others, not so big a deal when the black community has "real" issues to deal with. Yet, for some parents, this issue harkens back to a time when we had to explain to our children why we sat at the back of the bus. For girls, especially, notions of self-image and representation are an important part of development. "Clearly there's always a correlation between the images you are bombarded by and how you feel about yourself," says Dr. Robert Atwell, president of the Association of Black Psychologists, who has been working with black children, adults and families for over 35 years. "So you either get presented with images that stimulate your sense of potential or images that ignore you or are negative." In 2005, shortly after Katrina Helm and her family visited Walt Disney World, the North-Carolina-based mother started an online petition because her daughter asked such a question and Disney responded with what Helm deemed an unsatisfactory answer. According to her letter to the company, a representative from Disney responded by saying that there were "no African American fairy tales." The Burbank based Walt Disney Company, which boasted about 8 billion dollars in sales last year, is one of the most recognized brands on the planet. Disney, the parent company to television network ABC, did not return any calls to Black Voices by press time. Though no hard numbers exist, African Americans support Disney -- most of us have traveled to one its theme parks, bought our children a Disney DVD or have purchased Disney merchandise for our daughters, nieces or grandchildren. The Disney company has historically been called out for everything from racism ('Song of the South') to sexism (how come all the princesses have to be rescued?) to unscrupulous labor practices. Some in the community caution that we should be careful what we wish for, especially as it relates to potentially reducing our girls to passive objects of adoration. "I'm not sure that little black girls haven't fared better because they haven't had a princess," notes Dr. Deborah Cunningham, a New York-based psychologist. "Because if you look at the white [Disney] princesses, they've all been victimized in some way. They've all been saved by a prince, right? And they're all looking for true love." She continues, "In other words, if [black girls] are not identifying with these delicate little white girls who are being saved by the prince and taken off to the kingdom, then that may not be so bad. Whether they feel beautiful is something else." There also may be an effect on black boys as well -- and therefore the community as a whole, posits Cunningham, who says the whole Disney culture is a bit "scary." "I think there's another piece to it, which also has to do with how others perceive us. So the fact that you're a princess -- whether you're a victim or not -- you still are adored. You're wonderful. Unconditional," she says. "I think that adoration, particularly when it comes to male/female relationships, is something we could work on. So you're adored, you're regarded, you're respected, all of those things. So I think on that front, little black girls may not get as much of that." **************************** Alright. Now,for the record,here's my two cents: I'm African American,but the absence of a black Disney Princess never bothered me in the slightest. I love them all,and I don't feel offended by them. I also have always admired the fact that Disney embraced other cultures in their films. Further down in my ancestry,I am also Native American,and I was thrilled when they made Pocohontas,and she became my hero as a child. Of course,Aladdin is my all time favorite Disney movie,and in this day an age when there's a lot of Middle East bashing done in the US,I'm glad there are movies like Aladdin that get rid of some of those stereotypes,so that children don't have to grow up thinking that people from the Middle East are any different from anybody else. Anyway,my point is,I love Disney movies,and I love that they have movies about all different cultures,and not just white people. Just because they haven't made one about African Americans doensn't mean they're racist. But what do you guys think? How many people here on AC are black like me? The only one I know of is AG. Did the abscece of a black DP offend you?[/quote]
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Jafaria
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:05 am
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AladdinFan92 wrote:
I agree,Billy Joe. Like I said,I'm black,and not having a black princess didn't bother me.
If u ask me,if u want more "ethnic" versions of these stories,watch Happily Ever After,Fairy Tales For Every Child. It has a Chinese TLM,a black Jack and the Beanstalk,a Hispanic Cinderella,and so on.
I have totally seen that version of The Little Mermaid! I loved it.
...Yay for youtube. Which reminds me, anyone who hasn't seen the Faerie Tale Theatre version of Aladdin NEEDS TO, and I'm posting it. Just...not right now, since I'm on my way to Arabic right now.
And, since I am no longer on my way to Arabic...The Faerie Tale Theater version of Aladdin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDU3H6-WYhA&feature=related
...This is totally offtopic but I'm posting it anyway.
Meesh
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:45 pm
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I think it's too lighthearted a subject to find it sad, really - especially since she doesn't actually exist.
*Bows down to the queen of mamluking threads*
A Whole New World
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:48 am
Post subject: Re: An interesting article about the Disney Princesses...
Silly aritcle,black little girls don't need a black Princess to like the Princesses,a black little girl can like which Princess she wants,so only Arabian girls can like Jasmine? only Native American little girls can like Pocahontas? no they don't,and let's not forget that we have Tiana but I think that the only (Or main) reason that they made her movie and her character is to add a black Princess to the line.
Oh,and:
Quote:
Cinderella and
Fantasia
-- and even 'The Little Mermaid's' Ariel (of the sea).
Fantasia? what? or whoever worte means Aurora? or Belle? if it's Aurora then it's sad to see many people only knowing her as Sleeping Beauty with Disney keep calling her that way but now they don't know who she is at all,that's sad
.
APK
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:08 am
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
It SEEMS, The Frog Princess could be Disney's first African American princess, in a New Orleans-ish setting with a Jazz soundtrack and not a very theatrical soundtrack!
And that might explain the preference of Randy Newman over Alan Menken. [/i]
...I am deathly afraid for Ron and John right now . I love the resolution to not exactly using an "African" country setting (since, you know, they're still catching hell for the last ethnic movie they did like that *points to this place* ), but I bet you dollar bills people will fuss over the New Orleans thing. BET YOU. Come on, who wants to take bets?
Omg....just....omg.
::raises flag for R&J and starts Eulogy::
I'm excited about FP but I'm a little scared for them too.
I hope they use a NO-ish setting and not the actual place. I'm willing to take you up on that bet!
Syera
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:02 pm
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PrincessHikaru wrote:
4) Racism ~ the scene with the crows. I'm surprised if nobody screamed about that.
Why yes; yes, they have. I don't remember when or where, but I have some vague recollection of hearing about it somewhere.
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:49 pm
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True. I feel sorry for a younger friend of mine whose mother wouldn't let her see
What a Girl Wants
. WTF? "Well, her mother was in a rock band....and....they....
kissed.
" OMFG, woman. Your daughter is 12. She watches stuff with people
kissing
and listens to rock music all the time. I know you meant, "The main character was born before her parents were officially married," but *meeeeeeep* - so was your daughter!
Back to Dumbo.
1) Oh yeah, that's just stupid that people would yell about child abuse over something like that.
2) So...no watching 101 Dalmations, while we're at it?
3) Hah hah, you don't know how much I love the 1982 version of Annie. I've played Pepper onstage in Roseanne Sorentino's style. The Disney version butched everything. How is it more child-friendly to watch Rooster slash a knife into Annie's picture and talk about murder than it is to watch Miss Hannigan be a slush and attempt to
stop murder?
4) I never thought of the crows as black. But again, I haven't seen Dumbo in eons. People could scream about that, but I'd still snicker.
Why do people pick at TV and movies so much, anyway? "Zomg violence will destroy our kids!" <--- I assume your kids have *lives?*
AmethystFae
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:51 pm
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No no no. There's no contraversy with that, it just makes me cry.
But the movie has a list of other contraversial issues, and maybe you'll laugh, or just shake your head when I point them out.
1) Child abuse ~ When Mrs. Jumbo spanks one of the boys who was teasing Dumbo.
2) Cruelty to animals ~ The scene directly following the forementioned scene.
3) Chemical dependency ~ Dumbo and Timothy got wasted after the scene where they visited Mrs. Jumbo. (when the clowns poured beer into the water.) And then we come to the scene with the pink elephants, which were halucinations enduced by alcahol.
4) Racism ~ the scene with the crows. I'm surprised if nobody screamed about that.
As I mentioned before, these aren't problems ~I~ have with the movie, but it's the same types of things people pick out of other movies and TV.
~Hikaru
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:01 pm
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*hasn't seen Dumbo in ages*
What's the potential controversy about him seeing his mother locked up?
AmethystFae
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:58 pm
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Ick! I just get so nausious when the subject of Raven Simone is brought up. And BTW, when talkint about her, I usually refer to her as Raven [something else that starts with S.]
Oh, I saw Song of the South a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't have a problem with it. Of course, some people might argue that it's because I'm white, but I can usually put myself in other people's shoes regarding these things. BTW, was there much contraversy over Dumbo? I mean, I hear more bellyaching about the Disney Princesses, and I could list off the problems one might have with Dumbo, but I've never heard them from anybody else. And for the record, I liked Dumbo, but I can never watch the scene where he goes to visit his mother.
~Hikaru
Emmlei
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:26 pm
Post subject:
Syera wrote:
I dunno... remember the Muses?
Yes. I didn't really mind them. And they're pretty much the chorus of the film, not intended to be taken as characters, and to have fun with the subject matter (not being serious). Could be treated better, but it's better than "That's So Raven." (that show is just not my type of humor)
Syera
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:17 am
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I dunno... remember the Muses?
Emmlei
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:34 am
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I'm optimisitic. I feel the writers will create a well-rounded and original character that won't follow stereotypes. I think bck to Sweet from Atlantis, he was pretty well rounded and one of my faves.
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:35 am
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Side characters don't necessariily have to be stereotypes. Main characters tend to be moreso. Since sidekicks (generally) are more annoying and one sided, I'd kill the television if your "good chance" becomes reality.
I have this bad image of Raven as some African princess going, "OH SNAP!" and Kyla saying, "You tell 'em, girl!"
APK
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:58 pm
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The sad thing is, a black Disney princess would turn into an annoying and loud CGI character voiced by Raven Symone or Kyla Pratt.
I would cry. No really
Omg, yes.
If they ever do a black princess I really hope they get a good voice for her. They probably would, since she would probably be the main character. But there's always the chance that they'd give her a good voice actor but make an annoying "side" character to play the stereotype. And I don't know which would be worse.
Hippsodeth
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:53 pm
Post subject:
Syera wrote:
Hippsodeth wrote:
Meg and, to some debatable degree, Ariel are Grecian.
I realize they drew a bit on relatively popular Greek mythos when coming up with the setting for The Little Mermaid, but she doesn't strike me as being Grecian at all. Her facial features (not just the red hair) have an Irish-like look to them. Also, since Hans Christian Anderson was Danish, I tend to imagine the story set somewhere in the Denmark area.
Her facial features, hair notwithstanding, are the Irish stereotype. One of my best friends is always mistaken for being Irish, because she has Ariel's basic facial look, blue eyes, red hair and is hyper to the breaking point of - *strangles Catalina.* She's actually Greco-Russian.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. Ariel's a mermaid of the Atlantic, though her grandfather is Neptune/Poseiden. I'd say that requires her to be Greek to some extent.
{Jafaria - You're always getting, "You're not Arabian? Are you sure?" People take a look at Catie, a look at me, and ask, "You're NOT Irish? She IS? Are you sure?"
}
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