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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="AladdinsGenie"]Oh boy, where to begin..... [quote]"I'm not sure that little black girls haven't fared better because they haven't had a princess," notes Dr. Deborah Cunningham, a New York-based psychologist. "Because if you look at the white [Disney] princesses, they've all been victimized in some way. They've all been saved by a prince, right? And they're all looking for true love." She continues, "In other words, if [black girls] are not identifying with these delicate little white girls who are being saved by the prince and taken off to the kingdom, then that may not be so bad. Whether they feel beautiful is something else."[/quote] UGH. So because there hasn't been a black Disney princess, we're better off because of it because we're not being victimized? Oh, please. As much as I'll get shot for saying this, I kinda prefer if there wasn't one. Not because I want her to be "victimized" and make my own race look bad and pathetic like this article is saying (which is another rant in itself), but because people have a fit over the ethnic characters that ARE around. Pocahontas, Mulan, Jasmine, Kida...they've all been put under the same race issues. If we can't accept those, how are we going to bring ANOTHER ethnicity into the mess? I mean really, can you IMAGINE the CONTROVERSY that would cause if they made an African American film that WASN'T based off animals? I think people are still trying to recover from Song of the South :lol:. Aladdin has been under fire from 1992 to the current day over the "omg stereotypes of Arabs"...I don't even wanna THINK what would happen if they did an all-black film. I would love to see it, personally, but I know they are going to pick it apart with all the stereotypes they can find. I think Sweet from Atlantis: The Lost Empire is one of, if not, the first African American character in a Disney movie. It made sense because it's very well possible to have one there, where I don't think it's all that possible to have them in the other movies for historical purposes. (Feel free to correct that) And don't we have African characters in our series? It makes sense to have them, right? Yeessss. And now that I think about it, so did the Little Mermaid series. Gabrielle the deaf mermaid, no? Ok, so they've all been in a television series and they're not as well-known, but it's not like they've been completely absent. And I have a problem when you DO like someone because of what race they are. I freakin' LOVED Ariel when I was a kid and I didn't care if she was white. Not ONCE did I ask "omg, why are there no black princesses for me to idolize, mommy?" Why? I was taught better than that...and I wasn't a princess person to begin with :lol:. I don't care if you're black, white, Asian, green, male or female--if I like you, I like you. My mom is a Cinderella fanatic, my dad *loves* Hercules, my sister is a Pocahontas fan like whoa, one of my brothers pretty much idolizes the sarcasm of Kuzco and randomness of that movie, the other one adores Tarzan, and me...well yeah :lol:. No, it's not because we're forced to love these characters and movies since we have no other choice--it's because WE DON'T CARE. If we really cared that much, we wouldn't be supporting Disney right now. We would be pissed off there are no all-African American movies and vow never to watch another Disney movie until there is one. I can't stand that fact that this article basically said "Well, African Americans have supported Disney, but they haven't given us anything black in return." If that's why you're supporting Disney, because you think you deserve something ethnic in return, then please stop. Never in my life have I heard such a ridiculous idea to support something and it's damn right disgusting that exists. I'll be completely 100% honest with you..."The Lion King" is THE "black" movie for a lot of African Americans because of its African roots. Now this isn't saying this applies to all African Americans (*raises hand for Aladdin*), but a lot of people I have ran in to consider this "their" movie and it's their favorite. "Aladdin" is usually next in line for favorites by African Americans because of the ethnic factor again, and the music believe it or not. It has drums in it and black people respond to drums--don't forget that :lol:. But again, I've seen all the movies loved by African Americans, so that is by no means the official number and code to go by (there shouldn't be a code to go by to begin with, but hey that's how I feel on the situation). As far as the princesses go, it's usually Jasmine for African Americans because she has "attitude", but I've seen ALL the princesses loved reguardless of race. There is an African American girl that gets on the city bus I see that has a new Cinderella purse every day :lol:. People DO tend to gravitate towards things they can identify with, I have several Island Pacific friends who were doing flips when Lilo and Stitch came out :lol:, but that wasn't the ONLY reason why they loved it and it shouldn't be. Just looking at myself...Aladdin is my favorite movie and Jasmine is my favorite princess and it's not because she's the princess that looks the closest to me (which really isn't that close at all :lol:). I just like the damn movie. I can relate to it, even being black and there isn't any African Americans in the movie itself. Isn't that funny? The movie is about Arabs, yet me being an African American can relate to these characters. LE GASP. Is it not possible these days to just like something because and not have to find a reason that is political? And just to give you a funny story, I shall leave you with an IM conversation I had with my cousin a year ago that always makes me laugh: Cousin: i almost had a fight this wk [i](white kid)[/i] Cousin: guess why i almost had a fight Cousin: we were arguing over Aladdin Me: ....you're lying Cousin: nope Me: Liar Me: You would not get in a fight at that expensive school over Aladdin [i](he went to an all boy's catholic school in New Orleans at the time)[/i] Cousin: im serious Cousin: o yes i would Me: No you wouldn't and no you didn't Cousin: im tellim you the truth Me: You are not Cousin: want to hear the story Me: Sure, let's see what you can make up Me: You might need those skills to make a story one day Cousin: i was singing a whole new world in class Me: ...wow, you can stop right there. That's a lie Cousin: you know your favorite song for me to sing [i](When he was here visiting during the summer one year, he'd walk around singing in it out of key and I'd threaten his life :lol:)[/i] Cousin: i swear Cousin: i was singin it in Spanish 1 Cousin: and a dude name newton said o no you not singin Aladdin Cousin: i said im honorin him for black history month [i](this was in February :lol:)[/i] Cousin: and they all laughed Cousin: until some guy named kevin said. y aladdins not black Cousin: and i said o yes he is Cousin: so i began to tell him how he's black Cousin: i said he has a pet monkey Cousin: he lives in a tore down apartment in the projects Cousin: he met a chick who he tried to holla at, who he lies to all the time Cousin: his homie turned him into a pimp Cousin: he broke Cousin: he went to jail Cousin: and so on Me: LOL!! Darren, you are so lying Cousin: then he got angry and threw a pencil at me Cousin: then i got up out my seat and told him to chill out Cousin: so he pushed me Cousin: and i shoved him down Cousin: but he didnt defend his self Cousin: so i left him alone Cousin: and so..... Cousin: Aladdin may look arabian, but he isnt. he's just light skinned Me: You are SO lying Cousin: i swear So there you have it folks. Aladdin is a HUGE stereotype of an African American and no one has said anything yet. They're too busy trying to call him on being too Western and too offensive to Arabs to notice :lol:[/quote]
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Jafaria
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:05 am
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AladdinFan92 wrote:
I agree,Billy Joe. Like I said,I'm black,and not having a black princess didn't bother me.
If u ask me,if u want more "ethnic" versions of these stories,watch Happily Ever After,Fairy Tales For Every Child. It has a Chinese TLM,a black Jack and the Beanstalk,a Hispanic Cinderella,and so on.
I have totally seen that version of The Little Mermaid! I loved it.
...Yay for youtube. Which reminds me, anyone who hasn't seen the Faerie Tale Theatre version of Aladdin NEEDS TO, and I'm posting it. Just...not right now, since I'm on my way to Arabic right now.
And, since I am no longer on my way to Arabic...The Faerie Tale Theater version of Aladdin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDU3H6-WYhA&feature=related
...This is totally offtopic but I'm posting it anyway.
Meesh
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:45 pm
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I think it's too lighthearted a subject to find it sad, really - especially since she doesn't actually exist.
*Bows down to the queen of mamluking threads*
A Whole New World
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:48 am
Post subject: Re: An interesting article about the Disney Princesses...
Silly aritcle,black little girls don't need a black Princess to like the Princesses,a black little girl can like which Princess she wants,so only Arabian girls can like Jasmine? only Native American little girls can like Pocahontas? no they don't,and let's not forget that we have Tiana but I think that the only (Or main) reason that they made her movie and her character is to add a black Princess to the line.
Oh,and:
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Cinderella and
Fantasia
-- and even 'The Little Mermaid's' Ariel (of the sea).
Fantasia? what? or whoever worte means Aurora? or Belle? if it's Aurora then it's sad to see many people only knowing her as Sleeping Beauty with Disney keep calling her that way but now they don't know who she is at all,that's sad
.
APK
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:08 am
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
It SEEMS, The Frog Princess could be Disney's first African American princess, in a New Orleans-ish setting with a Jazz soundtrack and not a very theatrical soundtrack!
And that might explain the preference of Randy Newman over Alan Menken. [/i]
...I am deathly afraid for Ron and John right now . I love the resolution to not exactly using an "African" country setting (since, you know, they're still catching hell for the last ethnic movie they did like that *points to this place* ), but I bet you dollar bills people will fuss over the New Orleans thing. BET YOU. Come on, who wants to take bets?
Omg....just....omg.
::raises flag for R&J and starts Eulogy::
I'm excited about FP but I'm a little scared for them too.
I hope they use a NO-ish setting and not the actual place. I'm willing to take you up on that bet!
Syera
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:02 pm
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PrincessHikaru wrote:
4) Racism ~ the scene with the crows. I'm surprised if nobody screamed about that.
Why yes; yes, they have. I don't remember when or where, but I have some vague recollection of hearing about it somewhere.
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:49 pm
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True. I feel sorry for a younger friend of mine whose mother wouldn't let her see
What a Girl Wants
. WTF? "Well, her mother was in a rock band....and....they....
kissed.
" OMFG, woman. Your daughter is 12. She watches stuff with people
kissing
and listens to rock music all the time. I know you meant, "The main character was born before her parents were officially married," but *meeeeeeep* - so was your daughter!
Back to Dumbo.
1) Oh yeah, that's just stupid that people would yell about child abuse over something like that.
2) So...no watching 101 Dalmations, while we're at it?
3) Hah hah, you don't know how much I love the 1982 version of Annie. I've played Pepper onstage in Roseanne Sorentino's style. The Disney version butched everything. How is it more child-friendly to watch Rooster slash a knife into Annie's picture and talk about murder than it is to watch Miss Hannigan be a slush and attempt to
stop murder?
4) I never thought of the crows as black. But again, I haven't seen Dumbo in eons. People could scream about that, but I'd still snicker.
Why do people pick at TV and movies so much, anyway? "Zomg violence will destroy our kids!" <--- I assume your kids have *lives?*
AmethystFae
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:51 pm
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No no no. There's no contraversy with that, it just makes me cry.
But the movie has a list of other contraversial issues, and maybe you'll laugh, or just shake your head when I point them out.
1) Child abuse ~ When Mrs. Jumbo spanks one of the boys who was teasing Dumbo.
2) Cruelty to animals ~ The scene directly following the forementioned scene.
3) Chemical dependency ~ Dumbo and Timothy got wasted after the scene where they visited Mrs. Jumbo. (when the clowns poured beer into the water.) And then we come to the scene with the pink elephants, which were halucinations enduced by alcahol.
4) Racism ~ the scene with the crows. I'm surprised if nobody screamed about that.
As I mentioned before, these aren't problems ~I~ have with the movie, but it's the same types of things people pick out of other movies and TV.
~Hikaru
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:01 pm
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*hasn't seen Dumbo in ages*
What's the potential controversy about him seeing his mother locked up?
AmethystFae
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:58 pm
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Ick! I just get so nausious when the subject of Raven Simone is brought up. And BTW, when talkint about her, I usually refer to her as Raven [something else that starts with S.]
Oh, I saw Song of the South a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't have a problem with it. Of course, some people might argue that it's because I'm white, but I can usually put myself in other people's shoes regarding these things. BTW, was there much contraversy over Dumbo? I mean, I hear more bellyaching about the Disney Princesses, and I could list off the problems one might have with Dumbo, but I've never heard them from anybody else. And for the record, I liked Dumbo, but I can never watch the scene where he goes to visit his mother.
~Hikaru
Emmlei
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:26 pm
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Syera wrote:
I dunno... remember the Muses?
Yes. I didn't really mind them. And they're pretty much the chorus of the film, not intended to be taken as characters, and to have fun with the subject matter (not being serious). Could be treated better, but it's better than "That's So Raven." (that show is just not my type of humor)
Syera
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:17 am
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I dunno... remember the Muses?
Emmlei
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:34 am
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I'm optimisitic. I feel the writers will create a well-rounded and original character that won't follow stereotypes. I think bck to Sweet from Atlantis, he was pretty well rounded and one of my faves.
Hippsodeth
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:35 am
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Side characters don't necessariily have to be stereotypes. Main characters tend to be moreso. Since sidekicks (generally) are more annoying and one sided, I'd kill the television if your "good chance" becomes reality.
I have this bad image of Raven as some African princess going, "OH SNAP!" and Kyla saying, "You tell 'em, girl!"
APK
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:58 pm
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The sad thing is, a black Disney princess would turn into an annoying and loud CGI character voiced by Raven Symone or Kyla Pratt.
I would cry. No really
Omg, yes.
If they ever do a black princess I really hope they get a good voice for her. They probably would, since she would probably be the main character. But there's always the chance that they'd give her a good voice actor but make an annoying "side" character to play the stereotype. And I don't know which would be worse.
Hippsodeth
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:53 pm
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Syera wrote:
Hippsodeth wrote:
Meg and, to some debatable degree, Ariel are Grecian.
I realize they drew a bit on relatively popular Greek mythos when coming up with the setting for The Little Mermaid, but she doesn't strike me as being Grecian at all. Her facial features (not just the red hair) have an Irish-like look to them. Also, since Hans Christian Anderson was Danish, I tend to imagine the story set somewhere in the Denmark area.
Her facial features, hair notwithstanding, are the Irish stereotype. One of my best friends is always mistaken for being Irish, because she has Ariel's basic facial look, blue eyes, red hair and is hyper to the breaking point of - *strangles Catalina.* She's actually Greco-Russian.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. Ariel's a mermaid of the Atlantic, though her grandfather is Neptune/Poseiden. I'd say that requires her to be Greek to some extent.
{Jafaria - You're always getting, "You're not Arabian? Are you sure?" People take a look at Catie, a look at me, and ask, "You're NOT Irish? She IS? Are you sure?"
}
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