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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Emmlei"]I simply miss good Disney animated films, and I prefer 2D, hand-drawn styles for certain types of stories over CG. A bit of a purist in me, but hand-drawn films have a certain charisma that CG hasn't quite matched yet. And I simply like the styles you can have with 2D. That, and Disney's animated films haven't been as good (discounting anything Pixar, because Pixar really is its own group). They lack some of their storytelling oomph. A lot of studios lack that, to be honest. I know people have berated the "Disney formula," but it works and there's a lot of variety you can get in that "formula." That's why so many of their older films are still enjoyable today. Pretty much what AG has said; I don't care if it's the musical format of TLM and Aladdin, or a non-musical like Rescuers Down-Under and Atlantis, or hand-drawn or CG, I just want good animated films that tell good stories with characters I care about.[/quote]
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VampireNaomi
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:11 am
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I stopped watching Disney movies some time after Mulan, but that's more because of my emo teenage rebellion (had to go against everything traditional, you know
) than the actual quality. Now I'm catching up.
Right now, I'm putting all my hope into The Frog Princess. Let's all cross our fingers and hope it gets done. Even better, let's hope it's based on the Russian fairytale instead of being a female twist on the enchanted prince story.
dazzeling diamond
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:42 pm
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With regards to Calluna's comment about Aladdin having those same elements as these 3d talking animal movies. That is true, but, it was MORE than that. It had all those things for fun and laughs etc, but there wasmore under the sruface, there was a real villain, a real love and real story/adventure, all that stuff, u know?
Now it's JUST talking animals, which I have nothing against, when its done right, but these days, thats IT, and it isn't more than, again, those POP CULTURE REFERENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and they r ALL 3d
which again, I don't mind from time to time, but what happened to our good old movies?
I read on the internet, though, that Disney is considering doing those old beloved types of animations again...we should start a petition as protest, and er...encouragement, so that they do it! lol!
dazzeling diamond
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:38 pm
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With regards to Calluna's comment about Aladdin having those same elements as these 3d talking animal movies. That is true, but, it was MORE than that. It had all those things for fun and laughs etc, but there wasmore under the sruface, there was a real villain, a real love and real story/adventure, all that stuff, u know?
Now it's JUST talking animals, which I have nothing against, when its done right, but these days, thats IT, and it isn't more than, again, those POP CULTURE REFERENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and they r ALL 3d
which again, I don't mind from time to time, but what happened to our good old movies?
I read on the internet, though, that Disney is considering doing those old beloved types of animations again...we should start a petition as protest, and er...encouragement, so that they do it! lol!
Jas
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:20 pm
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I hope they figure out the problem soon. I hate not caring so much about seeing the latest Disney movies - that's not how it's supposed to be.
LaGenie
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:16 pm
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I know that one day that disney will have it's glory days again. When it does I will be there to say hallulaah
APK
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:05 pm
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This is a bit off topic but I do have a point. For my Senior Ring Day we're using Tinker Bell and all the other princesses (Jasmine, too) for a banner. It's a school tradition to make a banner for Ring Day. The banner is really important and some people sneak around every year just to find out what the banner theme is. We haven't been able to do Disney for Ring Day before because of copyright issues. But this is the first time we're using Tink and the Princesses. ::snickers because it sounds like a band's name::
At first, I thought the other kids in school would think it was really cheesy but everyone seems really excited. People that I never would've pegged as Disney-fied are happy about it too.
I guess Disney hasn't totally lost the too-cool-teen market of today. After all, we are a product of the 90s.
I also noticed it's that same generation that adores Disney the most. My math teacher brought up the Simba/Kimba thing during class. He got all his facts wrong about the whole situation, too.
He said that Osama Tezuka didn't sue Disney after TLK because he didn't have enough money and was afraid to sue Disney. He also said that Tezuka was a little, unknown Japanese animator with no power.
False. Osama Tezuka (who was very well known) wasn't even alive when TLK was made, which is probably why they received no complaints from him.
Also, Tezuka's company knew that he thought very highly of Walt and his company which was why they declined to complain. The people in my math class have never heard of Kimba/Simba. They were a little shocked, but recovered quickly. And boy, did they get mad--at my teacher
He was going off on a rant about Disney until people started calling out stuff like, "I don't care! I'll always love the TLK!"
I didn't go off on a smart-alecky rant against my teacher because I would've gotten in trouble. He already didn't like me
I did correct him when he said that the only reason TLK was better than Kimba was because Disney could afford better animators and paid their animators loads of cash. From what I've heard, the animators don't get paid a lot. They can't brag about their paycheck, anyway. It was well-animated because the animators went out of their way to study actual lions in Africa. It did well in other countries because Disney went out of their way to dub TLK perfectly. The story was great because Disney went out of their way to for Bambi to Meet Hamlet in Africa with Kimba
My point is that our generation still adores Disney. Disney has been sleeping. Heck, they've been knocked out.
But we'll still be here when they wake up. And they better wake up soon, darn it.
Emmlei
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:51 am
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Syera wrote:
Everyone else copied the paradigm without bothering to figure out how and why it worked - and consequencially screwed it up.
This is very true. This is why, when people call a character from some movie or series (think
Drawn Togeher
's Clara) "Disney princess"-y, I think they're also including the poorer clones, or just over simplifying the storytelling approach. I have a slender little book about Disney films (focuses mostly on the animated films, so not ALL Disney films) that points out how these films have generally stood up to time, even the less successful ones like Atlantis. The people who write and develop the films know what works, and if it doesn't, they go and change it and work on until it does or they toss it. It's a craft, you have to know how things work and why, and how to use it. Disney has the good fortune of a pretty continuous, almost century long practice.
Syera
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:46 am
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Ah, but as it's been said before, Aladdin did it first and Aladdin did it right.
Everyone else copied the paradigm without bothering to figure out how and why it worked - and consequencially screwed it up.
Calluna
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:59 am
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dazzeling diamond wrote:
Another thing is, theses days they are all 3d talking animals out of their natural state and all using pop culture references, anyone noticed that THAT IS ALL ITS BEEN LATELY?????????????????????
Ironically, Aladdin had all three of those things (well, if the Tiger God counts as a CGI talking animal).
Syera
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:53 pm
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Eh, I've more noticed it's been ALL ABOUT THE POP-CULTURE REFERENCES period!
dazzeling diamond
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:38 pm
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Another thing is, theses days they are all 3d talking animals out of their natural state and all using pop culture references, anyone noticed that THAT IS ALL ITS BEEN LATELY?????????????????????
I miss the good old animation, I really do, and I agree with someone who has alerady said this, Disney has died.
but it can b reborn
APK
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:19 pm
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Did you watch the trailer?
It looks good. What I don't get is, why aren't they planning on releasing this in theaters? Don't they have a new rule about 2D being DTV and CG being in theaters? Maybe they think it won't do well. Or maybe they scrapped the rule.
Yes, ring the bell for the sake of our sanity!
AmethystFae
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:14 pm
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Oooooh! I am a HUGE Tink fan. I'll have to check that out when it's released.
Also, you have a point about the Disney slump. Maybe Disney's not really dead, but just sleeping. *pulls out bell* Should I ring this?
~Hikaru
APK
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:30 pm
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It's depressing because I feel like there's a fake Disney going around trashing its name, and I keep waiting for the real one to come back and kick the fake one's ass.
Deep
Well, honestly, I haven't thought much about it either. I know that we were lucky enough to be kids during the Golden Age. But remember that before that age, they had a huge slump and didn't make too many great movies. It happens. Companies rise and fall and rise. We're just witnessing another slump and it's a little depressing, but I'm also a little hopeful.
Rapunzel is coming out soon. It will be CG, but it won't be spoof-tacular, it will be a musical and the artwork they've released for it so far looks simply amazing.
That 2D story that Ron&John are working on is giving me high hopes.
I'm curious about that other movie that's supposed to be half live-action and half 2D. I forgot the name. I think it was Enchanted or something.
And this isn't movie-theater related but I can't wait until Aladdin hits broadway!
Also, when I first heard they were making a CGI Tinkerbell movie my reaction was
....
.....
But I've seen a teaser trailer for it and I'm actually excited. Even though I never really was a big Tink fan it looks pretty good and I think I'll see it.
See the teaser for yourself:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nEOkVO25twY
I think I spotted a hidden mickey there
Ariellen
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:55 pm
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I'm open to musical, non-musical, whatever, but I really really miss music being a major aspect of the movies.
Since Mickey Mouse debuted, and probably before that but I admit to not being as knowledgable on the pre-Mickey Disney projects, music has been such a key component of storytelling and or character development in the Studios' output. Be it a series of gags of Mickey playing "Turkey in the Straw" with barnyard animals in "Steamboat Willie," music inspiring and creating stories like in the sequences of "Fantasia" or musically-driven series of shorts like the "Silly Symphonies," songs like "When You Wish Upon a Star" that establish a film's theme, or songs like "Part of Your World," "Belle," and "One Jump Ahead" (and their reprises) that establish who the characters are, what they want, and why we should care about them, music has an extremely important place in Disney canon. It really does help audiences remember more about the characters and films, too. Why else would there be so many series of Disney compilation albums created and sold through the years?
Try as Disney might to erase "Song of the South" from public memory (I mean, except for Splash Mountain and a select few 60th anniversary commemorative pieces of merchandise available at DisneyShopping.com, but hey...), "Zip a Dee Doo Dah" isn't going to go without a fight, and a group of hard-core Disney fans like a lot of the people on here remember and appreciate The Black Cauldron, The Rescuers Down Under, and Atlantis, but that doesn't seem true for the general public (be it for reasons that seem fair or unfair), and I would LOVE to research into if the lack of songs is a reason that these movies faded from the general public's memory. While most people here would be of the mindset that each movie should be judged on its own merits and not merely compared to other Disney projects (and how would comparing Atlantis to Snow White make sense anyway?), the fact is, the Disney name carries a certain set of expectations, and when something deviates from what the public 'expects,' even if that project is quality, the public doesn't always take to change quickly.
So...I admire Disney for exploring different creative ideas in their movies, but I think that it may be good for them to find a balance between tradition and innovation if that is what the audiences want. Personally, I prefer musicals, and a return to that form DONE WELL (the direct to video sequels are nearly all musicals, but the songs and stories just aren't that good) would excite me, but I would also continue to enjoy non-musical features with interesting stories and characters.
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