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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Salukfan"]I've meant to type this up forever... In ... 2007, I think? I ordered press kits for both ROJ and KOT. The ROJ didn't have much to it, but the KOT one has a lot more about the history of the film. I figured I'd post some of it to read, if you guys are interested! There's some interesting quotes from the writers, director, and actors throughout, and some great sections on the music, animation process, and character development. Interestingly, or maybe just predictably, there's no mention of the series whatsoever, even in actor bios. For example, it only says that Scott Weinger reprised the role of Aladdin in ROJ... and no implication of any other time than that. I thought I'd post a section (the longest, actually :lol:) to get started. If you want to read more, let me know, I'm willing to type it up! ... and if this is illegal, someone let me know. :lol: [b]Developing the Characters: [/b] In addition to Robin Williams, the three-time Academy Award nominated headliner of such hits as "Mrs. Doubtfire," "Jumani" and the recent box office smash, "The Birdcage," ALADDIN AND THE KING OF THIEVES features a cast of extraordinary voice talents which includes familiar voices from the first two films, as well as two new dramatic artists. Scott Weinger is once again the street rat-turned-hero, Aladdin, and Linda Larkin portrays his lovely bride-to-be, Jasmine. Their musical numbers are delivered by two remarkable young singers, Brad Kane (singing voice in both "Aladdin" and "The Return of Jafar") and Liz Callaway (singing voice in "The Return of Jafar"). Classically trained veteran actor Val Bettin is Jasmine's proud, but befuddled, papa, the Sultan. Multi-faceted Frank Welker comes up with the unique dialect of Aladdin's patient pal, Abu, the monkey, and zany comic Gilbert Gottfried screams back onto the screen as the squawking, egocentric parrot, Iago. Joining the cast to create two unforgettable new characters are popular British actor John Rhys-Davies ("Raiders of the Lost Ark") as Aladdin's father, Cassim, the King of Thieves, and TV/film/stage star Jerry Orbach (who brought down the house as Lumiere when he sang "Be Our Guest" in the Walt Disney Animated Masterpiece "Beauty and the Beast") as the unscrupulous Sa'luk. Cast originals Scott Weinger and Linda Larkin are thrilled about their characters' wedding plans. "They've been dating for a long time!" jokes Weinger, "It's about time Aladdin and Jasmine get married." Larkin reminds us, "Jasmine has been trying to find her true love for two movies now! She and Aladdin are truly in love and now they are really ready to spend the rest of their lives together. I think they'll be very happy!" Thanks to the intelligent scripting of the stories, both Aladdin and Jasmine have grown and changed since audiences were first introduced to the devil-may-care street rat and the sheltered Princess. "Aladdin and Jasmine are from completely disparate backgrounds," points out Weinger. "She grew up within the confines of the palace walls, not knowing what life was like outside until she met him on her first adventure in the real world. At the beginning, he was a young, innocent guy, just a common street thief, living day-to-day. When it turns out his father is the King of Thieves, the most notorious villain of all time, it's Aladdin's duty as a citizen, as a son, to reform his father. Aladdin has matured a lot since the first movie." Jasmine, too, has come a long way toward becoming an adult. Linda Larkin sees her character as "still strong-willed, a ruler, but she's grown out of a lot of teenage things. She's a very loving and tender person, extremely human. When Jasmine learns that Aladdin's father is alive, she is very excited-- she wants him to be a part of their lives. The ultimate choice for this young woman is to marry the man that she loves." And Jasmine's father, the Sultan, is eager to at last give away his lovely daughter to the young man who has proved worthy of her. According to Val Bettin, who voices the proud papa: "At first, the Sultan was wary of Aladdin's relationship with his daughter. Now he's convinced he has a young man of integrity there and is quite delighted that Aladdin is marrying his precious flower. As the story line has progressed, the Sultan has become more rounded-out, more complete as a human being." Genie, of course, has been devoted to his young buddy from the memorable moment he was released from his bottle in the original story. "Genie's always there for Aladdin when he's in a bind," says Weinger. "When the situation gets serious, Genie's always trying to lighten things up; he always manages to get in a good joke and brighten things up." However, Iago, the wise-cracking parrot, is still looking out for number one, still as obsessed with treasure as he ever was. And he doesn't care who helps him get it! "Iago is a fickle character," admits Gilbert Gottfried, the zany stand-up comic who voices the rambunctious bird. "At first, he was a totally evil parrot, the henchman of Jafar." Scott Weinger agrees: "Iago was Aladdin's enemy, who Aladdin wouldn't mind seeing in a sandwich or something! Anyway, you know, people change, parrots change." In "The Return of Jafar," Iago became a reluctant friend of Aladdin, and was torn in his allegiance. At the beginning of this third and final chapter, Iago has, in Weinger's words, "crossed over to the good side. Of course, he's still up to his old tricks. He's always greedy, always trying to get himself out of dangerous situations. If Aladdin, Jasmine, Genie and Iago are in a bind, Iago's getting out, he's saving his own feathers! But he's also very appealing, as a result of the brilliant artistry of Gilbert Gottfried." Throughout the adventure, Aladdin is accompanied not only by Genie and Iago, but also by faithful Abu, the little monkey who was his only companion during the time the two lived by their wits in the streets of Agrabah. In ALADDIN AND THE KING OF THIEVES, audiences learn an extraordinary secret-- that Aladdin's long-lost father, Cassim, who he believed dead, is in fact living a life of larceny as the King of Thieves, the leader of the 40 Thieves of song and story. Handsome, tall and bearded, with streaks of gray in his shaggy black hair, Cassim wears a sweeping blue cloak, fasted at the shoulder with a gold clasp in the image of the legendary Hand of Midas. It was his compulsive quest for this "ultimate treasure" that separated him from his family in the first place, and which now nearly costs him and his new-found son their lives. "Cassim is a very contemporary character in one respect," explains John Rhys-Davies, the actor whose mellifluous voice brings Aladdin's father to the screen. "Our society is littered with able and clever men who have pursued their dreams at the expense of their families, and they reach a time when they realize that their family was far more important than any dream they could have had. Cassim is divided still, because he has ambitions which haven't been fulfilled. But the discovery of his son brings ballast to his life, and sets him on a safe and stabilizing course." The right-hand man to the King of Thieves is Sa'luk, a towering, muscular cutthroat with a bald head, an earring, and two sweeping mustachios. He wields a deadly weapon-- three short, slashing blades he wears on the back of his hand like brass knuckles-- which he uses to wrest control of the band of 40 Thieves from their leader, Cassim. His gravelly, threatening voice is provided by Jerry Orbach, who sees Sa'luk as "the epitome of evil" but admits that "it's fun to play the bad guy!" The popular stage/TV star explains that "you can go over the top [in an animated film]. There's a great deal of freedom. Here, you can go to the extremes of emotion, and madness, and silliness. As actors, we don't often get the chance to be this big and broad and hokey, you know? To do big, nasty laughs, and g-r-r-rowls... you can't do that in the movies. People would think you're nuts!"[/quote]
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AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:17 pm
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This just reminds me of how much I wish I could see them now after marriage
Salukfan
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:09 pm
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Maybe they originally wanted him to live in the palace but the censors wouldn't accept it, so they just had to avoid all references to it? And at a certain point they just said, "screw it! We'll just put him back in the hovel!"
That's probably it.
I think someone (in, um, some interview) said they didn't want Aladdin/Jasmine to be married because it limited them... maybe this stemmed from the same issue? It separated Aladdin/Jasmine a bit, allowed more exploration in the relationship without a marriage being involved (I think the perception of Sadira would have been different had she been trying to remove a wife, rather than a girlfriend.. if she even would have gone that far. It's a different level...), and changed the dynamic.
Calluna
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:31 pm
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Salukfan wrote:
Re-watching "Forget Me Lots."
Iago says "I won't miss visiting the palace!" This is a really early episode (and we thank it for elongating the time line
)... which implies that Aladdin doesn't live in the palace.
... clearly thinking about this too much was a mistake.
Is it possible that maybe Aladdin was living there but Iago was not? Because, in retrospect, the line right before that, where Rasoul says Aladdin's "back in the gutter where he belongs" sounds like he
was
living there... My head hurts.
In "Some Enchanted Genie" they were
probably
in the hovel, right after that is "The Vapor Chase" where they definitely were, next is "The Day the Bird Stood Still", in which living in the hovel is a big part of the plot.
Kind of strange how they were vague about where he was living for over a year (in story) but all of a sudden there are a bunch of episodes where he's explicitly living in the hovel? Maybe they originally wanted him to live in the palace but the censors wouldn't accept it, so they just had to avoid all references to it? And at a certain point they just said, "screw it! We'll just put him back in the hovel!"
Salukfan
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:34 pm
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Re-watching "Forget Me Lots."
Iago says "I won't miss visiting the palace!" This is a really early episode (and we thank it for elongating the time line
)... which implies that Aladdin doesn't live in the palace.
... clearly thinking about this too much was a mistake.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:20 pm
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Yeah, they totally did something they weren't suppose to
Salukfan
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:16 pm
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Does "Love At First Sprite" happen before that? They might be banned from the palace for something they did/broke/etc. that we don't know about
It does happen first, actually.
That could make sense...
Now that I think of it, Genie/Iago/Carpet are chillin' in the palace at the start of "The Wind Jackals of Mozenrath" and Iago says that he can't remember the last time Aladdin let them do that. I can-- "Power to the Parrot"... which didn't end up so well.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:48 pm
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Calluna wrote:
It sounds like they're usually not allowed to stay, but Jasmine's making an exception just this once. Maybe it's only Iago who's not allowed, and everyone else is staying out too to spare his feelings.
Does "Love At First Sprite" happen before that? They might be banned from the palace for something they did/broke/etc. that we don't know about
Salukfan wrote:
Or, in the realm of "...well, they do kiss
a lot
," maybe things almost went too far and they decided that it's just better for everyone if they live apart?
That would explain why they practically grope each other every time they meet up
Salukfan
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:45 pm
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I'm trying to figure out when it officially went back to "the gang lives in the hovel," rather than the palace.
It just occurred to me that in "Scare Necessities," Iago and Abu take Squirt back to the hovel in the middle of the night.... and Genie shows up, in the morning, to take Squirt back. Obviously Aladdin didn't sleep there that night. Unless he got the benefit of "... you got me a locket, you sleep in a nice bed tonight," he wasn't living the hovel.
That episode is about 10 after "Vapor Chase...." so unless they just put the gang in the hovel for a plot contrivance, something's kinda weird there
Of course, VC aired before SN, but that's also not the best evidence of a straight storyline. We go to "Poor Iago" (five eps after SN) and Aladdin's living in the hovel again.
Jasmine's "... just for tonight" kind of implies that she orchestrated Aladdin going back to hovel land.
Maybe the move happened because she and Aladdin realized that they weren't going to get married for a while and still needed time to live apart and have separate lives? Or, in the realm of "...well, they do kiss
a lot
," maybe things almost went too far and they decided that it's just better for everyone if they live apart?
Calluna
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:32 pm
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I think you're probably right.
The only thing I can't explain, though, is that scene in From Hippsodeth With Love:
Iago: Well, guess we're staying here [at the palace] tonight!
Jasmine: Just for tonight.
It sounds like they're usually not allowed to stay, but Jasmine's making an exception just this once. Maybe it's only Iago who's not allowed, and everyone else is staying out too to spare his feelings.
Salukfan
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:25 pm
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Maybe they put it in, then realized afterward that it'd be better to have a place outside of the palace/a place for the "guys."
I'm looking at the production order and we don't see Aladdin's hovel for quite a while. We see it in "My Fair Aladdin," but that's not real evidence that he lives there... in so much as he went back there after humiliating himself. I'll take "Some Enchanted Genie" as a reference to it (because how else could Abis Mal have just bothered Aladdin/Abu/Genie in the taking of the lamp? I imagine Iago just rolled over, said "screw it" and went back to sleep.
) We don't actually see them
living
there until "The Vapor Chase."
I could be missing something here (forgotten stuff in the hovel, etc), but it seems like they ended up living in the hovel again out of convenience, rather than it being something they planned on the entire time.
Calluna
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:02 pm
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Yeah, but the same people who wrote RoJ wrote the series, so if they knew they were going to have to backpeddle on that, why put it in? It's not really necessary...
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:42 pm
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Yeah, cause couples who are engaged don't move in with each other before they're married. They gotta be married or no dice. They'll be heathens!!
I hate people sometimes
Salukfan
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:12 pm
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You know, I thought that was just Iago misreading the situation, but if the press kit's saying it, too...
I wouldn't be surprised if they just took Iago's line and went with it, without paying attention to the fact that he doesn't live there in the series... or that him living there means that Aladdin and Jasmine are an unwed, live-in teenage couple and that may offend someone.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:02 pm
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He ended up realizing he liked it more at his hovel and decided to stay there? That "you murdered my father!!" situation was too much for him to handle
Calluna
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:58 pm
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Salukfan wrote:
* Aladdin lives in the palace and "spends his time redistributing the stolen treasure of a stolen treasure of a despicable thief named Abis Mal."
You know, I thought that was just Iago misreading the situation, but if the press kit's saying it, too...
What exactly did Aladdin do after RoJ to get himself kicked out of the palace?
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