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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Fez_Head"]You've written some really good points about the benefits of traditional hand drawn animation, and I completely agree with you. I said there is a bit of a nostalgia factor to this style because it is what I grew up with, so yes, I believe I will be a bit more partial to it than CGI. Also, the beauty. Good lord, I still can't wrap my head around how much time and patience all of those animators must have to draw out those characters and various settings. :shock: It's just so beautiful that it leaves me breathless. I was actually talking about this with a friend the other day and I know this is an Aladdin forum, which is a beautiful film in its own way (I mean, look at all of those vibrant colours), but Sleeping Beauty. Say what you will about the film (I know that some people don't like that Aurora is only in it for 18 minutes, for example), but my goodness, that movie is just stunning. That movie, for instance, would look weird in CGI to me and would ruin what Walt was envisioning for it: to be a moving tapestry. So yeah, hand drawn animation all of the way! I won't judge you on your love for men, don't worry. I'm an Aladdin fan, so I seriously can't even begin to judge. :D I love Aladdin's character. It defies, in a sense, the heroic archetype, which makes him more rounded and fleshed out. It's not like the prince in Snow White who is like "I sang, I kissed, I conquered." Sorry if you like that character, but he's kinda okish. Although, he does wear a pretty nifty hat. I also really like Jasmine's maturity, like you. I would hate to see her subjected to the role of the "cute, clumsy girl" Disney seems to be fond of nowadays (I think it works for these particular characters), but I feel that would demean Jasmine as a character. And yeah, I never understood how these qualities, like being clumsy or a workholic, are considered flaws. Yes, perhaps Tiana could probably do with a break (or two), but I don't consider this a bad thing. People are constantly trying to scale the corporate ladder through determination in the real world, so why should a fictional character be scolded for being goal-oriented? I actually liked that about Tiana's character. I honestly don't know what they would call the movie in order to make it sound more modern. *shrugs shoulders* The whole "too white" thing reminds me of that picture on the internet of Aladdin that says "At the beginning of the movie, he was poor. At the end of the movie, he's white." I've seen the movie quite a few times and I do not recall at any moment when Aladdin suddenly obtains vitiligo. If this did happen, please let me know. It'll give me a chance to watch it again :D . I would not be happy if Genie's role was diminished just to give Jasmine more of a role. I love both characters, but I love the total bromance between Aladdin and Genie a little more. This reminds me. I saw a clip of Aladdin and the King of Thieves in French on YouTube one day and noticed that, as Aladdin and Genie were talking about Al's father being a total no-show at the first wedding, Genie used the words "ton pere." Using the "tu" form in French is strictly between friends or individuals who are quite close, so when I heard that, I was actually quite happy that this particular translation actually emphasized their close relationship. I would be livid if Genie was just demoted to some side character (Nope, that place is filled by the one and only, Prince Achmed. Twisted reference, anyone? :lol: ) or a significant plot point. Nope, I'm going to pretend you didn't even suggest that. *Puts fingers in ears and starts humming "Friend Like Me"* :D Anyway... I do think it would be rather interesting if they did go for the whole "uncle" concept from the original story. Could you imagine, Uncle Jafar? That's just so bizarre. I do think that if Disney did that, he would definitely use emotional manipulation to get Aladdin to do his bidding like Gothel. And I'm also a little unsure of Iago. I'm not a big fan of the stuffy British bird, but I guess his character would depend on the new version of Jafar. :?[/quote]
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Meesh
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:27 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAIkuT91akY
imekitty
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:23 pm
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That's something that probably would've been different. They probably would not have had Alan Menken write the music (not sure why they haven't been using him as much lately), so the score would've been very different...and probably not as good. TPatF didn't have great music, and I didn't really love the Frozen score either. It was okay, but not on the level of Menken's music.
I love that Prince Ali arrangement! Ah, such a good song with amazing lyrics. I wish Howard Ashman could've stayed around longer to write more.
I've heard that suite before! I wish they played the actual version of One Jump Ahead instead of just the reprise. But otherwise, it's beautiful.
I would be really interested in hearing an orchestral version of Forget About Love. I adore that song. :3 I especially love Brad's vocals.
Meesh
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:52 pm
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That video isn't playing for me, but I found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVxyukaDWog
I eat this stuff for dinner. Especially since I'm studying film score, and Aladdin is my #1 <3
I found an orchestral version about "Forget About Love," which I thought was random (and wonderful), since it's hardly known at all. I wonder if I could dig it up again...
Sinister Cutlass
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:36 am
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You could still watch the show... it's entirely on YouTube now
Here's a slice of Arabian nostalgia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSGqp0WMss
Yeah... Jafar's definitely not the romantic type. Yet despite that slight repulsion he inspires with his physical appearance, it's his personality, the sarcasm, and how expressive he is, which have always fascinated me. He's sort of like Maleficent, if she were funnier and more relatable.
Not to say that she isn't totally unrelatable... I absolutely relish that scene in the 1959 film where she taunts Prince Phillip in his hour of despair:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC5YUsxROMU
Bonus video clip: I found this nice version of "Prince Ali", arranged for orchestral performance. I hadn't heard it before (and that's saying something), so here, enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsk5uu-OI_A
imekitty
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:54 pm
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I miss Mozenrath's tantrums...I miss the show...
I could see that hairstyle, yeah. But it's too short for me personally. I like to be able to run my fingers through a guy's hair. Er...not that I would want to run my fingers through Jafar's hair. He's too old and evil for me. D:
Sinister Cutlass
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:49 pm
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Yes, the second Adam Driver took off his mask and revealed that young, pouty face with the lovely cloud of hair, I said, mentally, "Well, hello Mozenrath. Didn't expect to see you here..." The character Kylo Ren even
acts
like Mozenrath... megalomaniacal, throwing tantrums all the time...
I don't picture Jafar with long hair - I think that's going too far in the opposite direction. No, I think of him with hair either like Lord Vetinari's (in the
Discworld
series), and for young Jafar, I picture something more chin-length.
imekitty
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:09 am
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I've never actually watched the show, but I remember it being on TV when I visited someone a couple years ago, and I remember seeing Jafar and being like "wuuuuuuut?" I don't remember what his hair looked like, though.
I actually Googled "sexy Jafar" yesterday and saw that most depict him with a very long mane of thick hair. Is that what you imagine? It suits him pretty well. Sort of makes him look like Captain Hook, though.
But alas, the one time we see him without his turban in the movie, he is completely bald...but maybe he had that beautiful hair in his younger years...
While I was searching for images of Mozenrath's hair, I saw an image comparing Kylo Ren to Mozenrath, so you're not alone! And yes, they do look a lot alike. He's even got Mozenrath's pouty lips. XD
Meesh
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:07 am
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I watched the first few episodes but couldn't get it into it.
Is it just me, or does Kylo Ren remind anyone else here of Mozenrath?
Sinister Cutlass
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:39 am
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Yeah, Mozenrath is quite good-looking, and has some great lines too.
As for Jafar, I've seen some fan art of him that gives him a head of hair, not least of which is his portrayal by Naveen Andrews in the short-lived show
Once Upon A Time In Wonderland
. Did you ever see that? It was on in 2013 on ABC. I've also got my own head-canon ideas of what his hair should look like
imekitty
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:38 pm
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Well...it's hard to say what their voices
should
sound like since they're speaking a language other than what they would normally speak.
Oh, I see. You're just more of a villain fangirl, so the heroes aren't as interesting. :b I wish I could say I find Jafar attractive. For one, he doesn't have hair, and good hair is important to me. I think I'd have to choose Mozenrath as the most attractive Aladdin villain (as probably most would, I suppose...). I don't think we ever see his hair completely, but he seems to have some good locks under that headwear. I love his pale skin, and he's also got some pretty luscious lips...
Sinister Cutlass
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:46 pm
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The thing is, though, American cinema is enjoyed by people from many, many different countries. Among all national cinemas, it is one with a very international audience. I'll wager there are hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East or from a Middle Eastern country who have seen
Aladdin
, just as there are probably millions of Chinese people who have seen
Mulan
, and a huge number of Native Americans who have seen
Pocahontas
.
It's easy to imagine that in such films, where a culture other than "generic American" or "generic 18th century European" is explicitly portrayed, it would irritate people of that culture to hear voices coming out of those characters that sound very far away from what they "should" sound like. I'm a Caucasian American, and even I'm irritated by sword-and-sandals flicks these days like
Gods of Egypt
, which feature overly-familiar white faces. Doesn't Hollywood understand that casting like that hurts the ability of many audience members to suspend their disbelief?
As for Aladdin's attractiveness... well, I've never thought of him as
un
attractive. I've just always found him very bland and uninteresting. No, I was much more attracted to Jafar
imekitty
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:11 pm
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Before Aladdin, I don't think anyone ever thought about the people behind the voices in animation. I'm sure it would've only been a small matter of time before a big celebrity was cast in an animated film which might have paved the way for thinking that a character of a certain race has to be voiced by one of the same race. We are so politically correct today that they might have still felt compelled to get Middle Eastern actors (or at least not white actors).
Sinister Cutlass wrote:
I've never once looked at Aladdin as a sexual icon
Never? He's referred to as "tasty" in his first scene which is a rather risqué term to be using in a Disney movie! :b By the way, I know Tim Rice wrote the lyrics for One Jump Ahead, but that "tasty" line sounds very Menken/Ashman-esque. I wonder if Menken wrote that line?
Sinister Cutlass
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:36 pm
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Yes, I agree that Aladdin would have been made by computers, which is galling. The magic of that film is eminently suited to the stylization of hand-drawn animation. The photo-realism of the new CG style being used in films like
Frozen
and
Tangled
and
Big Hero 6
wouldn't have had half the creativity or the beauty. Those unrealistic, but oh-so-charismatic, arabesque curves are key!
I don't know if the voice actors would have come from the Middle East. I think part of the reason that
Mulan
and
Pocahontas
very studiously employed voice actors from the host culture (or close to the host culture) was the example of
Aladdin
. Without
Aladdin
to highlight the cultural sensitivity issues in the first place, those later films might not have the guidance or motivation to make the progress that they did.
I love that you guys are obsessed with Aladdin's running his hands through his hair. I've never once looked at Aladdin as a sexual icon, but that pic earlier has... em...
imekitty
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:49 am
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It's an example of a movie that many adults love, and I do think the animation medium contributes to that. If this movie had been live-action, it would've been way too weird. If it had been CG, it would've come across as too much of a children's movie.
I know that people seem to think that CG animation is for kids AND adults while hand-drawn animation is somehow "just for kids," but I don't know how that reasoning came to be. Hand-drawn animation has the capacity to be "gritty" and very artistic while CGI doesn't seem to have much variation (not that I've seen, anyway, and not that I can really imagine). Movies like "Rock & Rule," "Cool World," "Fritz the Cat," "Fire and Ice," "Yellow Submarine," "Hey Good Lookin'," and "Heavy Metal" get their "adult" edge from the style of their animation. There are plenty of non-English movies that also get their adult edge from their animation ("Vampires in Havana," "Midori," "Havoc in Heaven," and all the really old Russian films come to mind). If these films had been CGI instead, they would not have looked as "mature." No way.
I know there have been a couple of attempts to create adult CG animation, but I don't think any of them were successful. There was a TV series I saw on Adult Swim that was awful, and there was a movie that came out a year or two ago that also wasn't great. Maybe they'll figure out how to manipulate CG animation to look more mature, but for now, it doesn't seem to have that edge. That's why adult animation is still hand-drawn (or it at least has a hand-drawn look even if it's technically not like South Park or Archer. Well, maybe South Park is closer to stop-motion...).
Fez_Head
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:56 pm
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You should do it!! I'm surprised that no one has already.
LAMPY! Oh my god, I love that guy. I haven't seen that movie in forever, but anytime I hear that "Tutti Fruiti" song, I think about Radio, another awesome character. Actually, all of the characters are amazing, even that scary AC that combusts. I saw that clip in German and it's terrifying. And I don't even speak German.
Oh childhood, how I miss thee.
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