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Who is the main character of "Aladdin"?
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[quote="Fez_Head"]I'm with Meesh on this one. I didn't get the feeling that all you were interested in was a genie's sexuality. There's nothing wrong with that. You're intrigued by it, which is totally cool with me. I've read a bit online about genies and how they were created, but I really like some of the ideas you have for your own fan theory. That is one thing I love about this fandom. There are so many things that make you go hmm. Meesh, I can totally believe that that you haven't read the Harry Potter books because neither have I. I know, blasphemous! :lol: I'm an English major who never read them. How do I sleep at night?! At least it's nice to know I'm not alone. :lol: I once saw that Gollem and Jinni book at Chapters (Canadian bookstore), but I didn't get it. It did look really cool. Maybe I can find it somewhere else? I would love to know how that author implements Arabic mythology into the text. Did that author write that Jinni wars book too or was that someone else? And yes, I completely agree with both of you. So many books to read, so little time.[/quote]
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Fez_Head
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 7:02 pm
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Shamefully impressive? I don't know whether to take that as a compliment or an insult
I don't know why I never really read them to be honest. I mean, I watched all of the movies and found the characters to be really interesting, but I just never read the books. It's weird, I know. Maybe I will one day.
What is the Jinni Wars all about? And you wrote that it sort of reads like a fanfic? Any particular reasons why?
Meesh
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 5:15 pm
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Meesh, I can totally believe that that you haven't read the Harry Potter books because neither have I. I know, blasphemous! Laughing I'm an English major who never read them. How do I sleep at night?! At least it's nice to know I'm not alone. Laughing
That is shamefully impressive. I feel less bad.
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I once saw that Gollem and Jinni book at Chapters (Canadian bookstore), but I didn't get it. It did look really cool. Maybe I can find it somewhere else? I would love to know how that author implements Arabic mythology into the text. Did that author write that Jinni wars book too or was that someone else?
Nooo they are two totally different authors. I seem to remember hearing Wecker is writing a sequel too
Golem and the Jinni:
http://smile.amazon.com/Golem-Jinni-Novel-P-S/dp/0062110845?ie=UTF8&keywords=golem%20and%20the%20jinni&qid=1463699562&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
Jinni Wars:
https://smile.amazon.com/Fire-Wish-Jinni-Wars-Book-ebook/dp/B00I1ZJIZO?ie=UTF8&keywords=jinni%20wars&qid=1463699598&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2
Fez_Head
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 2:05 pm
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I'm with Meesh on this one. I didn't get the feeling that all you were interested in was a genie's sexuality. There's nothing wrong with that. You're intrigued by it, which is totally cool with me. I've read a bit online about genies and how they were created, but I really like some of the ideas you have for your own fan theory. That is one thing I love about this fandom. There are so many things that make you go hmm.
Meesh, I can totally believe that that you haven't read the Harry Potter books because neither have I. I know, blasphemous!
I'm an English major who never read them. How do I sleep at night?! At least it's nice to know I'm not alone.
I once saw that Gollem and Jinni book at Chapters (Canadian bookstore), but I didn't get it. It did look really cool. Maybe I can find it somewhere else? I would love to know how that author implements Arabic mythology into the text. Did that author write that Jinni wars book too or was that someone else?
And yes, I completely agree with both of you. So many books to read, so little time.
Meesh
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 11:34 am
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I'm the same way. I plowed through the first 3 Harry Potter books last semester (I've never read them before, if you can believe it) and have been stuck on the same page of the fourth one for months.
I read the first of the Jinni wars series too. It was okay. Kinda read like a fanfic IMO.
LillitOfBa'el
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 4:52 pm
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Have you read "The Golem and the Jinn" by Helene Wecker? I HIGHLY recommend it. One of the main characters is a Jinn, and a lot of the things you mention here are explored in that book. (Of course the author makes some stuff up too, but I love it.)
Ooooh! No I haven't. It sucks because I have so many books I need to catch up on, I love reading but I don't put the time in to do it
Gotta fix that...
But yeah I guess a lot of djinn stories have their own version of that basic storyline, and then the creator adds all of their own flairs, which is super cool. ^^
Meesh
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:21 am
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Looking back at this thread it reads like it gives the impression that I'm all about this characters sexuality and that's it. :p Yikes, that's embarrassing.
I didn't read it that way at all!
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Speaking of the Q'uran, it says that djinn, a species of demon, were created with a smokeless flame in the way that man is made from the earth. It also explains that djinn, like humans, are born, have families, age, and eventually die, but their aging process takes hundreds of thousands of years. I explain it in my story like this: they start out as babies at the same aging rate as humans, but as they age the process gets slower. So they remain children for a very short period of time considering their lifespan, but it takes them foreeeeeever and damn day to grow old.
Have you read "The Golem and the Jinn" by Helene Wecker? I HIGHLY recommend it. One of the main characters is a Jinn, and a lot of the things you mention here are explored in that book. (Of course the author makes some stuff up too, but I love it.)
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The way I see it, Agrabah is to the Middle East as Camelot is to Great Britian, both places based on a culture, but because they are fantasy worlds with lots of magic, all the rules go out the window ^^
Good comparison!
LillitOfBa'el
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 1:00 am
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Looking back at this thread it reads like it gives the impression that I'm all about this characters sexuality and that's it. :p Yikes, that's embarrassing. When I say that this thingy im making (it's a subtitled animatic) is personal, I don't mean it in that way at all. I'm working through some very key issues that I felt lent themselves well in helping to tell the story of the magical mass incarceration of an entire species of people through a Necronomicon, haha. Yup, a Necronomicon. It's mentioned in Q'uran.
Speaking of the Q'uran, it says that djinn, a species of demon, were created with a smokeless flame in the way that man is made from the earth. It also explains that djinn, like humans, are born, have families, age, and eventually die, but their aging process takes hundreds of thousands of years. I explain it in my story like this: they start out as babies at the same aging rate as humans, but as they age the process gets slower. So they remain children for a very short period of time considering their lifespan, but it takes them foreeeeeever and damn day to grow old.
My dorky-ass fan thingy explains why djinn were all trapped in the first place, their culture and social structure before the Impriosnment, why Genie has no name (other djinn refer to him as a 'Nameless'), and where he actually came from, and how Aladdin was basically destined to free him, how he grew up in his lamp, why the hell he knows so much about modern pop culture, etc etc. We discover as he does, because he starts out the story just as clueless about himself and his kind as we are. And yeah, it might get a little dark at times, but it's mainly got a lot of humor and heart to it...or at least that's what I tried to do. :B
And I'm in no way taking from the Q'uran like its the end all be all here, I'm not at all a religious person. ^^ Like the guys on Aladdin in the late 80s, Ive taken inspiration from a ton of weird sources haha. The way I see it, Agrabah is to the Middle East as Camelot is to Great Britian, both places based on a culture, but because they are fantasy worlds with lots of magic, all the rules go out the window ^^
LillitOfBa'el
Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 10:52 am
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
Related but as I get older and examine myself more closely I realize that a lot of characters I'm drawn towards are begging for interpretation about the details of their identity (in this case specifically his sexuality) and it's because of Genie. For me anyway, it's not about him being a sexual or non-sexual character so much as the fluidity present in his characterization that allows for him to comfortably fit in to multiple categories since binaries (and to some extent labels) are just not his thing. Genie is a pretty queer character in part thanks to him being a literal shapeshifter and his constant transcending of the text he's written in to, so I think he honors numerous readings because that's just how his character is meant to be read, which is why he's so universally appealing and speaks to a lot of people. Plus, you know he doesn't like to be trapped in to anything
Exactly! This is so well said. That’s why I love seeing other people’s interpretations of what the character means to them. They’re all so different. Mine is kind of a brain-fuck.
If anyone is interested in hearing about it feel free to PM me...it's on the more personal side so it feels weird putting it up on public internet but I'm willing to share 1 on 1. ^^
Meesh
Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:57 pm
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Beautiful, as always!!
AladdinsGenie wrote:
Related but as I get older and examine myself more closely I realize that a lot of characters I'm drawn towards are begging for interpretation about the details of their identity
Interesting!! Like who else?
LillitOfBa'el
Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 4:26 am
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Hi guys,
Sorry for my absence - I started another job and it’s been kinda nutty. I’m still drawing plenty of these two and have lots of half-done answers to questions, so hang in there, I’ll be posting sooner than later ^^
imekitty
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:41 pm
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AladdinsGenie wrote:
Related but as I get older and examine myself more closely I realize that a lot of characters I'm drawn towards are begging for interpretation about the details of their identity (in this case specifically his sexuality) and it's because of Genie. For me anyway, it's not about him being a sexual or non-sexual character so much as the fluidity present in his characterization that allows for him to comfortably fit in to multiple categories since binaries (and to some extent labels) are just not his thing. Genie is a pretty queer character in part thanks to him being a literal shapeshifter and his constant transcending of the text he's written in to, so I think he honors numerous readings because that's just how his character is meant to be read, which is why he's so universally appealing and speaks to a lot of people. Plus, you know he doesn't like to be trapped in to anything :lol:
That is the smartest thing I've ever heard anyone say about anything.
I just really never thought about it before. Genie was always such a side character to me that I never thought about him that deeply, but I like this new perspective a lot.
AladdinsGenie
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:58 am
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LillitOfBa'el wrote:
imekitty wrote:
Really? Of Genie? :0 Like I said before, I just see Genie as asexual, so imagining him engaging in that sort of activity is so weird to me. I kind of thought everyone saw him that way, so it's really interesting to find someone who does seem him as a sexual being.
I know right?! I realize how weird it is. There are personal reasons but its really complicated, I could probably write a a few pages about it, haha. And not just sexual, but pansexual and polyamorous. I imagine djinn as being evvvveerythiiiing.
They've been around so long that the illusion of heteronormativity kind of dissolves, haha.
Related but as I get older and examine myself more closely I realize that a lot of characters I'm drawn towards are begging for interpretation about the details of their identity (in this case specifically his sexuality) and it's because of Genie. For me anyway, it's not about him being a sexual or non-sexual character so much as the fluidity present in his characterization that allows for him to comfortably fit in to multiple categories since binaries (and to some extent labels) are just not his thing. Genie is a pretty queer character in part thanks to him being a literal shapeshifter and his constant transcending of the text he's written in to, so I think he honors numerous readings because that's just how his character is meant to be read, which is why he's so universally appealing and speaks to a lot of people. Plus, you know he doesn't like to be trapped in to anything
LillitOfBa'el
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:31 pm
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imekitty wrote:
Really? Of Genie? :0 Like I said before, I just see Genie as asexual, so imagining him engaging in that sort of activity is so weird to me. I kind of thought everyone saw him that way, so it's really interesting to find someone who does seem him as a sexual being.
I know right?! I realize how weird it is. There are personal reasons but its really complicated, I could probably write a a few pages about it, haha. And not just sexual, but pansexual and polyamorous. I imagine djinn as being evvvveerythiiiing.
They've been around so long that the illusion of heteronormativity kind of dissolves, haha.
imekitty
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:19 pm
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Amazing work as I said before.
Old comments:
"I was never sold on Eden, so I don't mind Genie being paired with someone else."
"One of her interests is 'sex,' lawlz. So blunt."
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I also do X rated work
Really? Of Genie? :0 Like I said before, I just see Genie as asexual, so imagining him engaging in that sort of activity is so weird to me. I kind of thought everyone saw him that way, so it's really interesting to find someone who does see him as a sexual being.
Meesh
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:20 pm
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Love it all
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