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I get what you're sayin'...I think you hit the nail on the head here. You've just gotta use a little more common sense when you're dealing with someone really really young, or getting older. My worst "This kid should not be at this movie" experience was seeing Liar Liar years ago when this family took a kid who was about 3 and was shouting his nursery rhymes at the top of his lungs the whole time. Hmm, think it was because he was bored and not old enough to get most of the humor there? |
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| I didn't mean for it sound like age was ZOMGSUPERIMPORTANT, but if you're a frail older person or a toddler, that just seems like a really silly thing to do. Then again, I am the type of person who can't stand it when parents bring their little ones to movies with stuff that could scare them like Harry Potter and they cry the whole time through. | |
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Now THAT I agree with you whole-heartedly. It makes no sense to me either. I don't know if all of these people recently have KNOWN about their conditions, and that's where things get complicated. It sounds like this boy on Mission: Space had a condition that just doesn't show up during a regular exam...I've heard some reports that his family knew, and others that said they didn't, so I don't know; I wasn't at Mission: Space that day. But anyway, if they DIDN'T know that he had a condition that often has no symptoms OTHER than sudden death, I think that's an instance that's really really sad and unfortunately really doesn't have an explanation other than nothing in life is totally risk=free and sometimes tragedy happens, and it probably could have happened anywhere at any time, but because it was at WDW, it's 'big news.' The point that I was trying to make is that if they did know he was at risk, then their fault was in allowing him to ride because of his condition, not because of his age. If they had no reason to think he was unhealthy or at risk and he wanted to ride, I don't think that the fact that he was four means they shouldn't have let him. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| But if you're not healthy or had some problems like I think both those people had...why would you get on? That just doesn't make sense to me. | |
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I think that really depends on the individuals...a person should know his or her own health as best as possible, and as far as children are concerned, a parent should know his or her child. I'm only getting a little defensive here because my brother rode Tower of Terror for the first time when he was 4 (another attraction where a young woman was hospitalized in critical condition after riding it...I never heard a follow-up on her story), and I don't think it was irresponsible of my parents to allow that. He was healthy, met the height requirement, understood what the ride did, and CHOSE to ride it. He went with one of them...whichever parent wasn't waiting in the exit area with my other brother and me who were 9 and 6 and didn't want to ride, so we didn't. (For my parents to 'switch off,' so they could each ride while one of them waited with us non-riding kids, we did have to wait through most of the queue area and that scared me enough...if they'd made ME ride when I was crying in the line, even KNOWING I wasn't going on it, THAT would have been foolish.) I am pretty sure the boy who died on Mission: Space was thought to be in good health...it sounds like the sort of condition that he had wasn't one that would be obvious in a routine check-up and doesn't cause symptoms that would have made the family think there was anything unusual with his health. And both of my parents are in their early 50s and have ridden Mission: Space. Again, I don't see a problem with that BECAUSE they keep themselves in good health and keep that stuff current aand made the choice to ride. If they knew they had weak hearts or something, it wouldn't be very smart to ride it, but I don't think it's a matter of age at all. Every individual is different. Your statements make sense can be unpredictable, and age does increase risks of certain health problems, but at the same time, not every 4 year old is too unaware to be able to experience a ride like that, and not every person over 45 has high blood pressure or another condition that could be aggravated. I really believe that people of all ages can and should be able to enjoy the ride. But it does provide another incentive to pay attention to what the rides are, and keep on top of your health so that you can make an informed decision about what's right FOR YOU (and/or your children).  |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Another sad story from what's supposed to be such a happy place...
The autopsy revealed that the boy had an undetected congenital heart defect. I think these stories are extra sad because yes, there are warning signs advising people with certain health conditions not to ride, but how do you react when a person doesn't know they have a condition and tragedy results? I feel safe on Disney attractions; I've ridden Mission: Space and Rock'n'Roller Coaster many many times and will continue to do so. I do not think that the recent tragedies at these attractions are the result of negligence on Disney's part, but I doubt that's very comforting to the family of a victim who appears healthy and rides something that's operating normally. I hate the criticism that "Oh, Disney gets injured people out of the park ASAP so they can't say that the death occurred AT the park." Well, if someone's unconscious, isn't calling the ambulance and getting the paramedics on the scene ASAP so that the person can be taken to the hospital the proper course of action? I won't say that Disney doesn't think that someone being pronounced dead on their property would look bad, but I believe that the paramedics are called first and foremost to get the proper attention to the Guest right away. If they are trying to care for a victim as best they can until the paramedics arrive, and then turn the case over to the paramedics, I don't see how they are at fault. Granted, I do not know the entire story in any of these cases (I worked at Epcot last year when the boy died on Mission: Space, but I was not a ride operator there), so I can't say for certain who is right and who is wrong and if a situation was handled in the best possible way. There's no denying that even if there is no one to blame, a story like this is very, very sad. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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we have about the same grandmother..mine thinks shes wise ..so listen to her ..but if I did I would of never had a lot of fun ANYWHERE!..she starts to tell some random story she makes up and says a boy or girl my age died from a ride similar to one Im ganna go on and whats funny shes uses that against me for YEARS!!!.Now with that kid I dont know what shes ganna say  .
~DB92 But Im still ganna go to that fair and hopefully my dad will take me to DL*crosses fingers* |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| My grandmother is scared to death of those rides. She gets more scared when we go on them than we do. Now she'll never let the kids go on them this year at the fair. | |
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Yes, I heard about that. I feel bad for the boy and his parents  |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Coming from someone who is there more than twice every month (most of the times  ) I can vouch with almost complete certainty that while rides will always be dangerous no matter what you do, Disney does take care in the rides and is very safe. I've never seen a problem there aside from the occasional escort out of the park because the idiot thought they could goof off on the rides or the occasional pathetic attempt to steal Like i said before the rides there are designed to e-stop if it detects any sort of problem. Honestly I wouldn't worry to much about it...then again this is coming from the same person who said they would be back on Screamin' and Big Thrunder in a heartbeat if they re-opened it the next day after they crashed |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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yeah! thanks 4 telling me that . and I didnt mean that TRR is not in DL but in DW.didnt know??  . I m not like that jerk that stands up in the rides but that was pretty funny . I say disney wasnt the blame .its the parents or ppl. .or the boys body just couldnt handle it sadly. My dad told me it happened in DL, see I get wrong info ..or he was trying to fool me?  . M ywhole family is telling me we shouldnt go to DL cause of that kid in DW?? they dont make any sense??
~DB92 |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Don't give in to what your dads trying to tell you, half the times these people get killed is because they're horsing around and/or don't listen to the flippin warning signs or theres just a problem with the ride that wasn't caught. I go there all the time and Yes, rides go 101 but these rides are *designed* to stop if it detects a problem. 'Screamin did that just a few months ago and did a safty stop just to be sure. The media ate it up they sometimes will just juice it up so the problem looks bigger than it really is.  I've yet to see where theres been a real serious problem aside from the freak accident with Big Thunder which derailed in when it entered the cave. Since then however it's quite safer and I've been on it a bunch of times. Don't worry about it however.
P.S last time I checked disneyland didn't have Rockin' Rollercoaster 
eta: Whenever people are even horsing around on the rides they will litterally shut down the whole ride and restart it. We had that happen on Big Thunder a few years ago because some asshats thought it would be cool to stand up on the ride as it was going up the lift hill |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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I know. My mom is gonna use this against me too. 
Just tell your dad that they closed down the ride and all the other rides are safe! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| OH great ..my dad was right..this is the thing my dad is using against me of not going to DL this summer .He said today a boy died in DL so he might not want to take us, but that boy was young! 12 years old! look waht happens when I really am lookinf forward to go somewhere!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ......wtf? You want the ambulance to be SLOW? Yeah, remember that next time you need a speedy ambulance but don't have it
I've seen some medics there when a girl passed out, but never an ambulance. |
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