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Meesh
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| Iago wrote: |
| In the series they made him kinda like a clown when in reality he was pretty smart and .."-eric goldberg |
I have always thought this as well. THat's why I sometimes have a hard time finding the happy medium between the two in my fanfics.
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Calluna wrote: |
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| And I don't know how to explain it, but it bugs me that Aladdin goes from street rat that did something to heroic to heroic street rat in the series...if that makes any sense. |
Do you mean that he was accepted by everyone too easily? |
Eeehhh, I guess you could say that  . I guess he takes over that "hero" sterotype and job too quickly. "You are now the greatest hero in all of Agrabah. Now do your job". It feels like there is something missing to me even if he did save the royals and Agrabah.
And I wouldn't go as far as saying Genie was a "clown"...more like a dork . I can see what he is talking about, though. His personality itself gets a little clownish when he was a lot smoother than that in the first movie. I mean, part of Genie IS Robin, so of course you are going to lose that part of the character that person brings to it if they aren't playing it, but it's just not the fact that Robin didn't play him. If you purposely TRY to write Genie as funny, you just end up annoying people  |
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Meesh
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| AladdinsGenie wrote: |
| Eeehhh, I guess you could say that . I guess he takes over that "hero" sterotype and job too quickly. "You are now the greatest hero in all of Agrabah. Now do your job". It feels like there is something missing to me even if he did save the royals and Agrabah. |
I get it! Yes, I agree.
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| [If you purposely TRY to write Genie as funny, you just end up annoying people |
Yes, thats kinda what happens in the series.. But he DEFINITELY has his actually funny and/or intelligent moments... and theyre great.
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AladdinsGenie
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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And a lot of those funny moments are the suttle things he says or how he reacts to things. Like, in "Riders Redux":
Aladdin: *to Rasoul* She's got all the faith in the world in me
Jasmine: You CAN do this, right?
Aladdin: *nervous* Well, uh, of course I can
Rasoul: You say that now boy, but I wonder if you will be so cocky when Zorasto strikes
*Rasoul stomps out of room*
Genie: *turns to Aladdin and Jasmine with an annoyed look on face* Um..how come we don't fire that guy?
A lot Genie's comedy comes from timing, much like Iago's. But, since Genie is the "comic relief" he gets stuck with all the "OMG MAKE HIM FUNNY" things. |
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Meesh
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Tru dat.
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AladdinsGenie
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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And as for intelligence, I'd say he is but he just chooses not to be a show off about it. (He shows off enough with everything else  ). He obviously likes to read and learn about new things, but he doens't know it all.
And as far as intelligence in a situation..maybe that's just how he is in situations like that with half his powers gone or as Iago put it "He's no good in a crisis."
It's not like we really have anything to compare to in the first movie because he really didn't have a chance to fight in the action because he was under Jafar's control. And even if he did, all he had to do was snap his fingers and it would all be over, and that's not something you'd want in the series because there'd be no point to the plots or to him even because the episodes would be over in 2 minutes.
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Calluna
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| AladdinsGenie wrote: |
| I mean, part of Genie IS Robin, so of course you are going to lose that part of the character that person brings to it if they aren't playing it, but it's just not the fact that Robin didn't play him. |
*nods* That's the danger of making the character's personality rely to much on the actor's. If they got someone other than Gilbert to play Iago it would probably be the same way. On the other hand, Jasmine got a new singing voice and Mozenrath accidentally got the wrong voice actor in one ep and only the hardcore fans noticed.
In the first and third movies, the part was written specifically for Robin, but for the series they were really careful not to have Dan imitate Robin because they were worried about pissing him off more. But since Genie is based off of Robin so much, if you don't try to imitate him a bit you have to go off in a completely different direction...
| AladdinsGenie wrote: |
| And as far as intelligence in a situation..maybe that's just how he is in situations like that with half his powers gone or as Iago put it "He's no good in a crisis." |
I like to think about it like with Roger Rabbit and the handcuffs: he can only use his magic when it's funny.
On the other hand, Genie seems to at least subconsiously know a lot about the future and breaks the fourth wall quite a bit. Maybe he's just joking around because on some level he knows everything's going to turn out all right anyway? |
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Meesh
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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AG, have you ever thought of becoming a writer? Maybe a lawyer??
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Eh, I'm no good with writing. Not that I've tried, but I wouldn't be all that great. I'm more of a "draw a picture after I read something" person
As far as a lawyer, my parents told me I should be one when I was little
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Meesh
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| AladdinsGenie wrote: |
Eh, I'm no good with writing. Not that I've tried, but I wouldn't be all that great. I'm more of a "draw a picture after I read something" person
As far as a lawyer, my parents told me I should be one when I was little
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Because you're amazing at debating and writing! You just do it a lot! (I dunno if you've realized or not.)
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Well thanks. I just thought I was ranting a lot |
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Compared to the movie, I believe alot of the characters were out of their personas through out the series. There are no specific examples... and sometimes it's worse than others.
I believe it was very out of character for Jasmine to try and make Aladdin jealous in "That Stinkin' Feeling". I just don't see her as one to try and do that. She is more of a seductress... not a flirt.
Aladdin was also very out of sorts in that episode. He seemed to possesive of Jasmine... and I guess you could say he acted more like a "teenager" in that episode than in any that we've seen before.
That's the one episode I can think of the most...
Genie was different in the series, but then again I guess it has to be hard to keep up his spontaneous moments when you have to do it for 3 years. There's material that you would have to use over and over... but I believe they did a good job with him. **Plus, I believe we all know how I feel about Robin Williams v. Dan Castelleneta.**
All in all, I believe the series was very put together, and I enjoyed it. As a child, I didn't notice very much wrong with it, but then again, I was naive when it came to that.
The only thing that bugs me about the series is the animation. **shudders**... that's just bad.
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe it was very out of character for Jasmine to try and make Aladdin jealous in "That Stinkin' Feeling". I just don't see her as one to try and do that. |
Oooh, I can I love this episode just for that. I can see both of them doing that just to get under the other's skin. They can't keep their hands off each other as it is, so what better way to piss the other person off than to do that with someone else. They KNOW what ticks the other person off and Jasmine is fully aware that the number one way to piss him off is to make him jealous. She's the same way, though. She tosses her cookies whenever she sees him with another girl like Sadira, but I think that whole complex is a lot deeper than it shows. (I'll save that for another day )
When he said "Jasmine's my girl" it's one of those things where he's been thinking it and knows it, but he's never said it out-loud because there has never been a need to put a staple on her such as "This is mine-back off". He felt threatened by Uncouthma, so he felt as if he has to make sure it was understood that no matter what she says and how out of hand this "game" gets, at the end of the day she was his. I guess that's more of a male to male thing that I'll never understand Part of me even wants to say that she even wanted him to say that because he always takes her for granted, including that she is going to be with him and she is "his". I'd say this episode is fairly early in the series just because of that reason.
And even though all the suitors were gone and they were engaged, I think part of him still feels a little insecure because he isn't the typical choice for a princess and could be replaced if needed at any time, really. He's possessive and everyone knows it, including Jasmine. (I don't blame him, though. All that crap he had to go through in the movie to win her? I'd be like that too ) So I believe she was fully aware of what she was doing and vice versa with him. Neither one of them are people to back out of a fight peacefully, even with each other |
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True... and you're right... that makes sense. It's just that they don't do it enough throughout the series for it to "fit in" with their personas. We know they're capable, it's simply the fact that they only do it once. It just doesn't fit.
You don't see Aladdin *trying* to make Jasmine jealous with Sadira... that's Jasmine's deal.
Aladdin does have every right to be possesive of Jasmine, I totally agree, but again, it's not shown as much through out the series as it should have been for this one instant to make sense.
Plus, like I said, they acted more like real teenagers in this episode than they had before.
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Hourglass wrote: |
| True... and you're right... that makes sense. It's just that they don't do it enough throughout the series for it to "fit in" with their personas. We know they're capable, it's simply the fact that they only do it once. It just doesn't fit. |
Which is why I say it comes early in the series because they are still a young couple and that's just what they do . There's not really a need for it towards the end because they have matured together.
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| You don't see Aladdin *trying* to make Jasmine jealous with Sadira... that's Jasmine's deal. |
True, but really...does he have to try? Does he have to do much to make her jealous when it comes to other girls in general? He's got enough to prove to Agrabah that he can really be sultan without having to prove he isn't screwing around with other females, but he knows that's a way to tick her off if he wanted (along with calling her "princess" ). He loves her too much to go all that far, but if you piss him off enough he'll go that far. I actually think he does use another female to make her jealous in one of the comics...which number escapes my brain at the moment
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| Aladdin does have every right to be possesive of Jasmine, I totally agree, but again, it's not shown as much through out the series as it should have been for this one instant to make sense. |
He's always possessive, but again, I don't think there was any need for him to be overtly possessive like in this case. How many other guys have attempted to court Jasmine or say they want her other than Prince Wazoo and Prince Uncouthma? Had she had done the same thing with Wazoo that she did with Uncouthma, he would have done the same thing. He even makes sure to tell Wazoo at the end that Jasmine is more his type than his even if it was because she had a rat tail |
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