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Amadou Prince/Princess
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: A 'Tarzan' issue |
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I watched "Tarzan" recently, and I loved it to the point it's my second favorite Disney movie. And I have a question, or remark to ask/make.
The little Tarzan got upset every time he heard or got hints that he was different from the other gorillas, he wanted badly to be like them, like his "mom". When he came to the teenage period, he should have noticed that one day his face began to cover with hair. So, if he was so eager to resemble his simian congeners, - and here is my question - where is his beard?... Why would he want to shave it?
(I won't even ask, how come that he knew -without anybody around there who could actually set examples for him- how to articulate his mouth and everything inside it, to reproduce English sounds.......and he knew how his name would sound in human language......-while I don't think it's the same in gorillas' language. Or he is a genius.)
(I hope I have made myself clear) _________________
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APK Sinister Snack Fairy
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 1322 Location: Lost
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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I always thought that Tarzan was naturally hairless. I know it's impossible to not be hairy at all, especially for guys but there are some dudes who have trouble growing a beard. Johnny Depp has claimed he can't grow facial hair except for that little mustache and I know my brother doesn't grow facial hair except for a little mustache sometimes and he's in his 20s.
I'm not sure, but I think a few guys are virtually hairless on their chest and back without having to shave or wax but they usually at least have hair on their legs and arms.
Then again, why doesn't Aladdin have nipples?
In real life, Tarzan probably would not have been able to learn English but in the movie, Tarzan was always good at mimicing sounds, even the sound of an elephant. |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard
Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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As to the language issue, my guess is that as a baby he had already started to learn some English (even if he couldn't speak it yet) and that that helped him to learn it faster as an adult. Even so he shouldn't have learned it that fast, I don't think.
Maybe his original human name sounded similar to "Tarzan"? _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard
Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 11856 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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APK wrote: |
In real life, Tarzan probably would not have been able to learn English but in the movie, Tarzan was always good at mimicing sounds, even the sound of an elephant. |
I'm reminded of that rumor that Dracula star Bela Lugosi couldn't speak English all that well while he was filming and said all his lines phonetically. Maybe that's what happened with Tarzan and eventually he caught on....really, really fast? Jane put him through some pretty intensive training over those few days. Then again, Pocahontas learned English pretty fast, too. I think everyone needs in on this program |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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At least in Pocahontas they semi-explained that it was magic. Or at least The Power of Love™. _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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The Magical Leaves Edition! |
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Emmlei Prince/Princess
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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That's something of a carryover from the original novels. Burrough wrote him to a very quick learner and a good mimic, so Tarzan did mimic sounds around him. I read the book once, and I had fun with the fact he learned French first, then English.
And his name was John Clayton, Lord Greystoke (yes, the book version Clayton, who wasn't trigger happy, was a distant cousin. Have fun with that ). _________________ "Hey! What's a seven letter word for hit television show beginning with A?" -- Genie |
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Syera Cynical Scribe
Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 3441 Location: West Nenūvān
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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APK wrote: |
I'm not sure, but I think a few guys are virtually hairless on their chest and back without having to shave or wax but they usually at least have hair on their legs and arms. |
Seems like it sometimes. Quite odd. Really, there's something very strange about a man who has less hair on his stomach than I do. Disturbing, even.
APK wrote: |
In real life, Tarzan probably would not have been able to learn English but in the movie, Tarzan was always good at mimicing sounds, even the sound of an elephant. |
Movie, nuffin'. Tarzan's been that way since his first appearance in 1912. You can probably blame that general ridiculosity there on the "noble savage" illusion people were so fascinated with during the time.
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I'm reminded of that rumor that Dracula star Bela Lugosi couldn't speak English all that well while he was filming and said all his lines phonetically. |
Lugosi knew English as well as he ever knew it during the filming of Dracula, so... yeah. Just setting the record straight. _________________
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Syera wrote: |
AladdinsGenie wrote: |
I'm reminded of that rumor that Dracula star Bela Lugosi couldn't speak English all that well while he was filming and said all his lines phonetically. |
Lugosi knew English as well as he ever knew it during the filming of Dracula, so... yeah. Just setting the record straight. |
...that's why I said rumor; never claimed it was true cause I knew that |
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Amadou Prince/Princess
Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 228 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Emmlei wrote: |
And his name was John Clayton, Lord Greystoke (yes, the book version Clayton, who wasn't trigger happy, was a distant cousin. Have fun with that ). |
You mean, Tarzan's name was Clayton? I guess I absolutely need to read the book...
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I always thought that Tarzan was naturally hairless. I know it's impossible to not be hairy at all, especially for guys but there are some dudes who have trouble growing a beard. Johnny Depp has claimed he can't grow facial hair except for that little mustache and I know my brother doesn't grow facial hair except for a little mustache sometimes and he's in his 20s. |
If you didn't mention your brother I wouldn't give much credence to Johnny. It's so odd... _________________
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard
Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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APK wrote: |
I always thought that Tarzan was naturally hairless. I know it's impossible to not be hairy at all, especially for guys but there are some dudes who have trouble growing a beard. Johnny Depp has claimed he can't grow facial hair except for that little mustache and I know my brother doesn't grow facial hair except for a little mustache sometimes and he's in his 20s. |
That was actually my theory for Aladdin as well, because, according to the rest of the books of the Arabian Nights, someone that old who hadn't grown a beard would have gotten some comments. _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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Jafaria Vizier's Handmaiden
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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That's why he started tugging on Jafar's beard when he first went to the palace, he was wondering if he could steal it. |
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