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Spike
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Well can't tell u that much about it since i've never been there...but all what i know is that aladdin has always been a country fairy tale,its like a fairy tale history...here in the middle east most schools teach kids the real story as litreture like in english they give shakespear stories,etc...by the way th real aladdin story didnt have a talking cave of wonders like the one in the cartoon it was just an under floor in the desert that jafar trapped aladdin in and closed its doors with keys, by the way jafar wasn't trying to get the lamp he only wanted aladdin to get him treasure from downstairs and once he took it from him he pushed him and trapped him fearing aladdin would want to share it with him then aladdin found the lamp somewhere inside,etc..by the way there was no abu in the story  but i think there was a rajah....
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Spike
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by the way its very clever of disney since they always pick stories from different countries and traditions..like aladidn for example resamples the arabs,etc.. and pocahontas resamples indians and in hunchback of noterdame they were showing you paris and in mulan they showed you china..its very nice they let the world seriosly discover a whole new world in their films..although they still add their touches in the characters but its still great!!!
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They were going to set it in Baghdad in the earlier version, but the finished movie can't be in Baghdad because it's not close enough to the ocean. Unless they were dropping him in the river? 
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That looks like a really wide river 
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Spike
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| They were going to set it in Baghdad in the earlier version, but the finished movie can't be in Baghdad because it's not close enough to the ocean. Unless they were dropping him in the river? |
No way then they wouldn't have still named it Agrabah, its like saying New York but its not in the states
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Syera
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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*Shakes head* I so gotta post...
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| What Syera would say, " Medieval or ancient 7th century times". |
No, eighth century. And that period IS medieval, not ancient. The Middle Ages ranged from 476-1453 AD.
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| Knowing me such as a dork that I am. I thought that Agra, India. Would be "Agra"bah. I may get this wrong but I heard that the animators went there to draw the architechure of the buildings and the designs for the movie. Agra is the place where they had the Taj Mahal. |
Indian and Arabian architecture and art is very, very similar. The two places are rather close location-wise, y'know. And 'sides, if they were in India, they'd be Hindu.
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| Another funny conjunctions is Morroco, Africa. It's so funny. Because I read in a thread that the characters of Aladdin were out signing autographs in a Morrocco restaurant in Epcot. What made it more interesting is that I was going through the pin collection book at work and notice a Morrocco pin limited edition. And guess who's on the pin? ABU! That's just made things confusing. But anyways, If you look at the surroundings of Agrabah and Morroco. It's pretty much the same. |
Morocco's on the WEST side of Africa, too. The architecture is such because it was settled by the Arabian culture. As was Spain and many other places.
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| I'm thinking it's not on the sea but it is very close. The guards threw Prince Ali into the sea so it can't be that far away, and I don't think we've ever seen a port that was specified as being in Agrabah. My theory is that they can't build the city too close to the ocean because then they couldn't get fresh water from wells, so all the trading ships come from a nearby port town (Para-Moor, maybe?) and then everything is transported to Agrabah by camel. |
Was it a sea or a river? Could've been either one, if I remember right. Agrabah definitely does have water access, though.
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| Agrabah is in Baghdad a place in Iraq, and yes its somewhere near the sea,dunno if it really exists now after the wars or not |
Baghdad's still there, for what it's worth, the poor thing.
Yes, Agrabah was originally going to be Baghdad in an early version of the script. However, I wouldn't say that this means that Agrabah IS Baghdad - changing the location of a story from a historic-ish location to a ficticious location doesn't make the ficticious location the re
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Spike
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| Yes, Agrabah was originally going to be Baghdad in an early version of the script. However, I wouldn't say that this means that Agrabah IS Baghdad - changing the location of a story from a historic-ish location to a ficticious location doesn't make the ficticious location the re |
Oh common and they would still call it arabian nights? its like i am saying the american days in new york, but i don't mean the one in the states..common not just coz you dont want it to be there it means we have to create wrong info's on countries..there is maps,etc.. try looking for its location on map. If they would have changed it there is no way they would still call it the same,i mean that would be funny and idiot..and by the way spanish and indian and arabic buildings are all different from each other actully TOTALLY different...
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Tempted to say Arabia, honestly. I'm BORING!
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| Oh common and they would still call it arabian nights? its like i am saying the american days in new york, but i don't mean the one in the states..common not just coz you dont want it to be there it means we have to create wrong info's on countries..there is maps,etc.. |
Yes, they would. Baghdad isn't the only city in Arabia, y'know. And hardly the only city mentioned in The 1001 Nights. Agrabah could still be in Arabia without being Baghdad.
Not that Agrabah couldn't be a placeholder city for Baghdad. I'm just saying that there's no absolute proof that Agrabah IS Baghdad.
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| and by the way spanish and indian and arabic buildings are all different from each other actully TOTALLY different... |
Let me introduce you to the wonderful Spanish city of Cordoba.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-24,GGLD:en&q=Cordoba
The Arabian influence on the art is pretty evidence. As it was, Spain was settled by many people, including Muslim Arabs.
And for the Taj Mahal...
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-24,GGLD:en&q=Taj+Mahal
While there are some differences, there are many similarities in the style of architecture. "Totally" different is a complete stretch.
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Actually, what about Morocco? I just asked my brother, that's his theory.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Morocco's on the WEST side of Africa, too. The architecture is such because it was settled by the Arabian culture. As was Spain and many other places.
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Of course I knew that. It's below Spain. But i also said-
---For example the Greek empire invaded the land of Egypt and there's Alexandria. I think it was named Alexander the great.--
I was referring if an empire spreads then they would claim a city. Even though it's hundreds of miles away from their homeland.
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| Indian and Arabian architecture and art is very, very similar. The two places are rather close location-wise, y'know. And 'sides, if they were in India, they'd be Hindu. |
Again, knowing such a DORK I am. I THOUGHT that agra, India. Would be AGRAbah. Honestly, I don't know a thing about how religion started for certain countries and HISTORY behind it.
I know that architecture was inspired though.
But, back then the world was new. There's many possibilities of what happened and could have been, and what not had happened.
Yes, the story of Aladdin is a Chinese Folk tale that has to be was adapted into the 1001 Arabian night. Story. What's awesome about fairy tales is that there's so many interpretations that there's no wrong answer to it.
I do remember they were thinking of the movie title, " The THIEF OF BAHGDAD" before making the title "ALADDIN".
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*Shakes head* I so gotta post...
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You always seem to debate against me for some reason. You challenge me to research more.
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Let me introduce you to the wonderful Spanish city of Cordoba.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-24,GGLD:en&q=Cordoba
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That's amazing! There are pictures in there that has the same design as the set in "Aladdin the Musical spectacular" in Disney's California Adventures. I want to visit Cordoba now!. I always wanted to see the Middle East, Israel, Morroco, and Egypt. Right now, with all the drama going on, I'm scared to go.
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Calluna
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh common and they would still call it arabian nights? its like i am saying the american days in new york, but i don't mean the one in the states.. |
I mean it's like Gotham City from Batman or Metropolis from Superman; they're both *based* on New York but they're fictional cities and aren't *really* New York. Agrabah is based very heavily on Baghdad but isn't supposed to really be Baghdad.
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| Oh common and they would still call it arabian nights? its like i am saying the american days in new york, but i don't mean the one in the states.. |
I mean it's like Gotham City from Batman or Metropolis from Superman; they're both *based* on New York but they're fictional cities and aren't *really* New York. Agrabah is based very heavily on Baghdad but isn't supposed to really be Baghdad. |
Don't forget Spiderman as well.. |
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I thought Spiderman was actually set in the real New York. Or was that just the movies?
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Spike
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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i just asked a friend of mine who used to live in iraq ages ago, i opened the subject about aladdin,etc....guess what??he told me that the sultan palace really do exist till now!!!and its like some kind a musiem now!! so maybe disney named the country agrabah and used the same sultan palace and reffered to aladdin as an arab and all details and yet meant another country china or taiwan maybe i am gonna make a story about the pyramids and sphyncs and call it the arabian nights and yet the story is based in LA
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