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Emmlei
Prince/Princess


Joined: 21 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syera wrote:

Everyone else copied the paradigm without bothering to figure out how and why it worked - and consequencially screwed it up.


This is very true. This is why, when people call a character from some movie or series (think Drawn Togeher's Clara) "Disney princess"-y, I think they're also including the poorer clones, or just over simplifying the storytelling approach. I have a slender little book about Disney films (focuses mostly on the animated films, so not ALL Disney films) that points out how these films have generally stood up to time, even the less successful ones like Atlantis. The people who write and develop the films know what works, and if it doesn't, they go and change it and work on until it does or they toss it. It's a craft, you have to know how things work and why, and how to use it. Disney has the good fortune of a pretty continuous, almost century long practice.
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APK
Sinister Snack Fairy


Joined: 06 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a bit off topic but I do have a point. For my Senior Ring Day we're using Tinker Bell and all the other princesses (Jasmine, too) for a banner. It's a school tradition to make a banner for Ring Day. The banner is really important and some people sneak around every year just to find out what the banner theme is. We haven't been able to do Disney for Ring Day before because of copyright issues. But this is the first time we're using Tink and the Princesses. ::snickers because it sounds like a band's name::

At first, I thought the other kids in school would think it was really cheesy but everyone seems really excited. People that I never would've pegged as Disney-fied are happy about it too.

I guess Disney hasn't totally lost the too-cool-teen market of today. After all, we are a product of the 90s. Very Happy

I also noticed it's that same generation that adores Disney the most. My math teacher brought up the Simba/Kimba thing during class. He got all his facts wrong about the whole situation, too. Rolling Eyes He said that Osama Tezuka didn't sue Disney after TLK because he didn't have enough money and was afraid to sue Disney. He also said that Tezuka was a little, unknown Japanese animator with no power.

False. Osama Tezuka (who was very well known) wasn't even alive when TLK was made, which is probably why they received no complaints from him. Laughing Also, Tezuka's company knew that he thought very highly of Walt and his company which was why they declined to complain. The people in my math class have never heard of Kimba/Simba. They were a little shocked, but recovered quickly. And boy, did they get mad--at my teacher Laughing He was going off on a rant about Disney until people started calling out stuff like, "I don't care! I'll always love the TLK!"

I didn't go off on a smart-alecky rant against my teacher because I would've gotten in trouble. He already didn't like me Laughing

I did correct him when he said that the only reason TLK was better than Kimba was because Disney could afford better animators and paid their animators loads of cash. From what I've heard, the animators don't get paid a lot. They can't brag about their paycheck, anyway. It was well-animated because the animators went out of their way to study actual lions in Africa. It did well in other countries because Disney went out of their way to dub TLK perfectly. The story was great because Disney went out of their way to for Bambi to Meet Hamlet in Africa with Kimba Laughing

My point is that our generation still adores Disney. Disney has been sleeping. Heck, they've been knocked out. Laughing But we'll still be here when they wake up. And they better wake up soon, darn it. Laughing
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LaGenie
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that one day that disney will have it's glory days again. When it does I will be there to say hallulaah
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Jas
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope they figure out the problem soon. I hate not caring so much about seeing the latest Disney movies - that's not how it's supposed to be.
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dazzeling diamond
Gypsy of Mystery


Joined: 01 Apr 2006
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Location: The land Down Under (Australia)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regards to Calluna's comment about Aladdin having those same elements as these 3d talking animal movies. That is true, but, it was MORE than that. It had all those things for fun and laughs etc, but there wasmore under the sruface, there was a real villain, a real love and real story/adventure, all that stuff, u know?

Now it's JUST talking animals, which I have nothing against, when its done right, but these days, thats IT, and it isn't more than, again, those POP CULTURE REFERENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and they r ALL 3d Sad which again, I don't mind from time to time, but what happened to our good old movies?

I read on the internet, though, that Disney is considering doing those old beloved types of animations again...we should start a petition as protest, and er...encouragement, so that they do it! lol!
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dazzeling diamond
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regards to Calluna's comment about Aladdin having those same elements as these 3d talking animal movies. That is true, but, it was MORE than that. It had all those things for fun and laughs etc, but there wasmore under the sruface, there was a real villain, a real love and real story/adventure, all that stuff, u know?

Now it's JUST talking animals, which I have nothing against, when its done right, but these days, thats IT, and it isn't more than, again, those POP CULTURE REFERENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and they r ALL 3d Sad which again, I don't mind from time to time, but what happened to our good old movies?

I read on the internet, though, that Disney is considering doing those old beloved types of animations again...we should start a petition as protest, and er...encouragement, so that they do it! lol!
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VampireNaomi
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Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stopped watching Disney movies some time after Mulan, but that's more because of my emo teenage rebellion (had to go against everything traditional, you know Laughing ) than the actual quality. Now I'm catching up.

Right now, I'm putting all my hope into The Frog Princess. Let's all cross our fingers and hope it gets done. Even better, let's hope it's based on the Russian fairytale instead of being a female twist on the enchanted prince story.
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