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AladdinFan92
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: My Disney Princess Paper That I Wrote |
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Great essay,Hikaru! Call me crazy,but it reminds me of that post I made awhile back entitled "The Role of Disney Princesses in Films" or something like that. I agreed with pretty much every argument you used. Very well written,and on one of my favorite topics! I can't tell you how many times I've said he exact same thing to my friends who insist on making fun of the Disney Princesses. 
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Janette Morgan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Ghee, I really don't remember her complaining all that much |
A few random quotes:
"People who tell you where to go and how to dress... you're never free to make your own choices!"
"Oh, that stupid law! This isn't fair!"
"The law is wrong!"
"Stuck-up, self-absorbed, overdressed..."
"If I do marry, I want it to be for love."
"I can't stand around and let other people live my life for me."
-- The scene where she chews out Jafar for having Aladdin arrested.
"How dare you! Standing around deciding my future?"
"Father, what's wrong with you?"
She's always complaining about SOMETHING, except when she's busy drooling over Aladdin.
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LaGenie
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| She is a little bit of a complainer. But if you think about we all are a little bit whiny sometimes. Like why do we have so much homework or this is unfair. They made her realistic but a little bit too much. |
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AladdinsGenie
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And if you notice, all those quotes have to do about her life. Your life is being lived through someone else's rules that you have no power over and you're basically a robot doing what everyone else tells you to do....wouldn't you complain? Shoot, I'd take it a step further and bitch every day  . I guess I equate speaking out against something and complain as two different things in my head. |
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Janette Morgan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't saying she didn't have a reason; it's just that she complained a lot during the movie.
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APK
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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"People who tell you where to go and how to dress... you're never free to make your own choices!"
"Oh, that stupid law! This isn't fair!"
"The law is wrong!"
"Stuck-up, self-absorbed, overdressed..."
"I can't stand around and let other people live my life for me."
"If I do marry, I want it to be for love." |
Those didn't sound like complaints, especially the last one. Her wanting to marry for love is right and proper. She didn't want to be stuck in a loveless relationship for the rest of her life. She's thinking outside the box and she's thinking intelligently  It isn't any more whiny than someone standing up against an unfair law today.
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| The scene where she chews out Jafar for having Aladdin arrested. |
You mean beheaded
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"How dare you! Standing around deciding my future?"
"Father, what's wrong with you?" |
He was acting like a hypnotised puppet. And he told her to marry Jafar. What did you expect her to do?
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| She's always complaining about SOMETHING, except when she's busy drooling over Aladdin. |
In much the same way Aladdin kept talking about being a streetrat except when he was with Jasmine. I didn't consider Aladdin to be complaining though, he only wanted to prove himself and have a better life. He didn't sit around dissatisfied with his condition either. He did something about it, the way Jasmine did something about her situation by running away. |
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Janette Morgan
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So instead of trying to resolve her situation, she just ran from it. Y'know, she could have talked to the Sultan instead of just grousing to every other character in the room.
Course, I'm not sure that the Sultan would have understood... he was a bit airheaded. But she could have tried.
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Ariellen
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| Janette Morgan wrote: |
| But she could have tried. |
I always got the impression that she had tried, many times, and given up quite a while before the movie begins. It sounds like a conversation that they've had variations of many a time before.
And...remember, she's YOUNG. They scrapped the 16th birthday line from the movie, but the intent was there...wish I knew at what stage of production they changed the birthday line and if the character was adjusted to be made slightly older, etc. But we have 15-going-on-16 as at least a ballpark figure. Yes, 16 was much more 'adult' centuries ago than it is now, people didn't live as long and so they had to assume more responsibilities younger, etc., but this was a fairy tale and though it was meant to be a 'timeless' telling of a story, this movie especially was not afraid to at the same time be very contemporary, so Jasmine was intended to be a teenager of the 1990s, struggling and clashing with a parent and having a hard time coming into the role she has the responsibility to fill, and dealing with her frustrations in a way that maybe isn't the most rational, maybe isn't the 'best,' but is what she feels in her gut.
I still argue that any discussion over what she SHOULD have done and how she should have handled the situation is interesting, but a little irrelevant at the end of the day; she ran away because...the plot called for it. The story was structured so she'd meet Aladdin, in disguise, and do so in HIS world, not hers. They play it as an experience that jars her...probably changes and teaches her a lot. The movie doesn't focus on Jasmine's guilt trip, but we see that she HAS one. |
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APK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| They play it as an experience that jars her...probably changes and teaches her a lot. The movie doesn't focus on Jasmine's guilt trip, but we see that she HAS one. |
I'm so glad someone you mentioned that 
A friend of mine thought Jasmine was rather mopey in the movie, but failed to see the reason why. She wasn't very mopey at the beginning of the movie - she even had a cheerful, teasing attitude about Achmed. She became mopey after finding out that the nice boy that not only understood her but saved her life was beheaded because of her. The audience knows that Jafar is lying about beheading Aladdin but Jasmine doesn't know this. She thought that it was her fault. He saved her life but she couldn't do the same for him.
She had tried to save him when she took a risk to expose her disguise and reveal she was the princess. She couldn't even manage to save him even with her high status and royal power. Jafar, being a man, has more power than she does as the Sultan's daughter. She told both Jafar and the Sultan about how she felt and they both brushed her off. Even the Sultan told her to forget about the whole thing and brought up the topic of suitors again. (an insensitive thing to do after your daughter has just told you she failed to save a boy's life after failing to run away effectively)
She acted rashly and ran away. I sympathised and sided with her because there was nothing much else she could do. Running away from a forced marriage (her birthday was coming soon) is better than sitting around and doing nothing. |
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