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persian85033 Elemental

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 2061 Location: Agrabah(I wish)
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:09 pm Post subject: The Oracle |
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The Oracle said that it has seen everything, so does that mean that it knew how things would turn out between Aladdin and his dad? It knew what questions who would ask? What about if, like, I have no idea what it is, pick it up, and just ask to myself 'What is this?' Would it answer, like, 'I'm the Oracle' and all that? That would mean that was a waste of a question, because I asked my question.
I mean, if it's seen everything, why did it tell Aladdin that his question was his choice if it already knew what he was going to ask? Why not just answer it right there? _________________ "I too am a member of your species, Captain, or I was. Perhaps I am not anymore. Perhaps you are right in thinking of me as an alien. I know I am different from you. You see-I do not kill." |
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Syera Cynical Scribe

Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 3441 Location: West Nenūvān
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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There are two factors:
A: The Chaos Theory.
B: You could, say, put a snake in someone's bed. You'd know that they would unwittingly get into bed and get bitten. However, if you told them "I forsaw you getting bitten by a snake in your bed," (barring this person thinking you're a nutter), you'd very likely counter this prediction because they'd know about it and they'd take the precaution of removing the snake first. _________________
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 3692 Location: Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: The Oracle |
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persian85033 wrote: |
What about if, like, I have no idea what it is, pick it up, and just ask to myself 'What is this?' Would it answer, like, 'I'm the Oracle' and all that? That would mean that was a waste of a question, because I asked my question. |
That's what happened to Iago, basically.  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, now the long answer. The Oracle is kind of important in what I'm planning so I've given all this stuff a lot of thought.
persian85033 wrote: |
I mean, if it's seen everything, why did it tell Aladdin that his question was his choice if it already knew what he was going to ask? Why not just answer it right there? |
Well, firstly, if she answered the question then he wouldn't have asked it and would still be able to ask another question. It'd be a freebie, like Genie getting Al out of the Cave of Wonders. Technically she could do it, but it would be kind of unethical.
I think the Oracle was manipulating Aladdin...
Oracle: Ah, but mere questions about your past can be answered by your father...
She just kind of volunteered the information there that his father was alive. Don't tell me that wasn't intentional, because she knew Aladdin didn't know that! And as a direct result of her saying that Aladdin's question was about where his father was. He had no idea what to ask up until that point except that he vaguely wanted to know something about his past rather than his future. And then when she does answer:
Oracle: Follow the trail of the Forty Thieves. Your father is trapped within their world.
Yeah, that was a bit vague, especially considering how much she let slip before. She purposely obfuscated the truth so that he would think he was a prisoner of the thieves instead of their leader. She knew he would take it this way; if she wasn't doing this on purpose she would have worded it more clearly. Makes you wonder to what end she was doing all this...  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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Syera Cynical Scribe

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah... it's right up there with that "If you immediately know the candle is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago" line.
But honestly, what would the Oracle have to acheive? I'd ask her... but that'd be a waste of a good question, probably. *nargnarg darnvagueglowyallknowingbeings nargnarg* _________________
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Nez Eccentric Papyrus Jockey

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I bet it gets boring, knowing everything that's gonna happen. Screwing around with your head is probably like movies for them.  _________________
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Syera Cynical Scribe

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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She didn't seem to me like she enjoyed messing with peoples' heads... but I bet all that omnicience also teaches you how to keep your poker face.  _________________
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe she's just a good person and decided to play it that way because it turns out the best in the end. If he'd asked her something else he'd have never known his father was alive. If she told him he was the KoT he might have hated him right off the bat or decided not to try to find him at all. This way Al and Cassim reunite, Aladdin loses his fear of becoming a bad father himself, and the forty theives are all dead or arrested. Sounds like it all turned out pretty well.  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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Syera Cynical Scribe

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah... and I personally have my suspicions about glowy, altruistic beings.
But then again, she may very well be naturally good... I mean, otherwise she'd be pretty jaded from all that stuff she'd know. _________________
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persian85033 Elemental

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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What if you just TELL it? Like, say, Aladdin says 'Tell me about my father.' That's not a question. _________________ "I too am a member of your species, Captain, or I was. Perhaps I am not anymore. Perhaps you are right in thinking of me as an alien. I know I am different from you. You see-I do not kill." |
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Calluna Genie of the Messageboard

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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persian85033 wrote: |
What if you just TELL it? Like, say, Aladdin says 'Tell me about my father.' That's not a question. |
Yeah, but she could say "no".  _________________ "If only I could believe you. Perhaps I can! After all... you do bear the name of a flower." -- Arbutus |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Aladdin: Tell me about my father
Oracle: No
Aladdin: Please?
Oracle: No, and you just asked a question so my time here is done. *disappears*
Aladdin:...#^&@!  |
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persian85033 Elemental

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Who would get the Oracle next? Maybe you could get someone else to ask it a question for you. Like Jasmine asking whether Aladdin's father was hurt, when Aladdin had already asked his question. _________________ "I too am a member of your species, Captain, or I was. Perhaps I am not anymore. Perhaps you are right in thinking of me as an alien. I know I am different from you. You see-I do not kill." |
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AladdinsGenie Genie of the Messageboard

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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When did Jasmine ask something? I know Aladdin asked when he was rambling off questions... |
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persian85033 Elemental

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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I know she didn't ask anything. I mean what if she was asking the question for Aladdin. It would be Aladdin's question, but she was asking it. Would it answer like that? Knowing that you were asking for someone else. _________________ "I too am a member of your species, Captain, or I was. Perhaps I am not anymore. Perhaps you are right in thinking of me as an alien. I know I am different from you. You see-I do not kill." |
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